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BBFC Extended Classification of Hallows Part 1 - Why it's rated 12A

jonny7003jonny7003 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭
edited November 2010 in General
Why the film was rated 12A in the UK:

HARRY POTTER AND THE DEATHLY HALLOWS - PART I is the first of a two-part adaptation of JK Rowling's seventh Harry Potter book. It is a fantasy drama about teenage wizard Harry and his friends Hermione and Ron as they work to stop the evil Lord Voldemort, who has taken over the Ministry of Magic and started to persecute 'mudbloods', or half-humans, who practise magic. It was classified '12A' for moderate fantasy violence and threat.

The BBFC's Guidelines at 'PG' state that 'Moderate violence, without detail, may be allowed if justified by its context (for example [...] fantasy)' and that 'frightening sequences should not be prolonged or intense. Fantasy settings may be a mitigating factor'. Although the characters in the film use magic, often in clearly fantastical settings, and some of the characters are magic creatures such as elves, much of this film takes place in familiar and realistic settings. There are also some stronger moments of violence which include some detail, particularly of injuries sustained by characters, with sight of blood and realistic-looking wounds. These include the word 'mudblood' shown in bloody scratches on Hermione's forearm after she has been tortured off-screen. This level of detail is better contained by the Guidelines at '12A'/'12' where 'moderate violence is allowed but should not dwell on detail. There should be no emphasis on injuries or blood'. Although there is too much detail, overall, for a 'PG' there is no real dwelling on that detail, nor any emphasis on injuries or blood beyond establishment of the wounds.

In terms of moderate threat, the film possesses a fairly dark and intense tone, in common with many of the more recent instalments of HARRY POTTER. Although few sequences are particularly prolonged, some of them possess a level of intensity that takes them beyond the 'PG' category, including a sequence very near the start of the film where Miss Burbage is tormented by Voldemort and the sequence where it is implied Hermione is being tortured off-screen by Bellatrix. These sequences fit the Guidelines at '12A'/'12' where 'Moderate physical and psychological threat may be permitted, providing disturbing sequences are not frequent or sustained'. As with other recent instalments, the general darkness of tone and occasional feelings of hopelessness make this better suited to '12A' than 'PG', as does the fact that various sympathetic and well-loved characters die or are injured. Being the first part of a two-part adventure, there is a notable lack of a reassuring resolution and certainly no happy ending.

Other issues include an unusual sequence in which we see a vision, conjured by Voldemort in order to taunt Ron, of an apparently naked Harry and Hermione embracing and kissing. Any detail of nudity is carefully concealed by angles and by the swirling mists of the vision but nudity is strongly implied. This sequence is containable at '12A' where the Guidelines state that 'nudity is allowed, but in a sexual context must be brief and discreet'.

The film also features occasional mild and discreet sex references and, in an animation sequence, an undetailed silhouette depiction of a person hanging himself. It does not feature any detail of the techniques of hanging, nor any suggestion that hanging is anything other than deadly.

There are also several uses of mild bad language, specifically 'hell', 'damn', 'git', 'piss', 'bloody', 'bleeding' and 'arse'.

Comments

  • blackvenomblackvenom Posts: 3,257
    Hermione's torture is implied?
    WTF? :|
  • jonny7003jonny7003 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭
    Well, we know some of it shown due to the test screeners. Anyway, psychological threat also has an impact on the scene's tension so I'm not worried about it.
  • blackvenomblackvenom Posts: 3,257
    I know that Hermione's screaming and Bellatrix's shouting, while we see Harry and Ron's reactions will create a really intense atmosphere but this worries me because there is a possibility that they cut Hermione's torture out.
    Didn't we get descriptions that we see lots of scenes, combined with reaction shots from the dungeons, where Bellatrix interrogates Hermione and pulls her violently, throws her on the floor and tortures her a few times with the Cruciatus curse?
  • jonny7003jonny7003 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭
    I'm not sure if the test screeners went into details about the torture (remember, there were fake descriptions at the time). All I remember is that they showed some of the torture and they showed reactions of Harry and Ron. I'll try and find a Leaky post about it.
  • MikuzHPMikuzHP Posts: 122
    edited November 2010
    I think it's better to NOT show the torture.
    Hermione's screaming + crazy Bellatrix + Ron and Harry going mad = Huge tension
    Furthermore they will show Bellatrix putting the knife on Hermione's throat so I'm not worried.
  • blackvenomblackvenom Posts: 3,257
    After Bellatrix notices Griffindor’s sword, she keeps Hermione for torture and sends the rest of them to the dungeon. The torture scenes are very intense, but a lot of what makes the scene work is seeing the characters in the dungeon react to Hermione screaming in pain. Bellatrix cuts the word Mudblood into Hermione’s forearm.
    It's both on and off screen. Acting is great, especially Helena Bonham Carter.
    Ron looks absolutely distraught and you can see the urgency and just how much he wants to go save her.You see Lucius Malfoy's desperation, Draco's struggles with indecision, and the nut case that is Bellatrix Lestrange.




    Hearing Hermione's screams while Bellatrix tortures her was enough to make me cringe.


    Hermione's torture really brings out a side of Bellatrix, an aspect of her character that we haven't seen before. What drives her to torture Hermione is both interesting and exciting on film. When Hermione awakens from being tortured she notices the word "mudblood" carved into her arm.

    Emma Watson's shrieking as Bella's character tortures her own (Bellatrix brands "mudblood" onto Hermione's arm) still gives me chills.
    Hermione's torture is quite graphic and jarring.
  • decarusdecarus Posts: 5,953 ✭✭✭
    I think that the Cruciatus curse is implied torture. It isn't as if they are actually torturing here it is being implied that she is being tortured by the curse. We know that the mudblood happens off screen.
  • blackvenomblackvenom Posts: 3,257
    So I guess it'll be shown both on and off screen according to the above scenes.
    We'll most definitely SEE Bellatrix interrogating Hermione during the torture. Maybe they cut during the actual torture moments and show Harry and Ron reacting and we just hear the shrieking/screaming.
    Dunno :/

    I'd like to see some glimpses of the torture.
  • TheDoctorTheDoctor Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Nothing about the Snatchers. Hmmm =/
  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    Discreet sex references? Like what?
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  • AshAsh Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No idea, but this is the most they've ever written for an extended classification. HBP only had a few lines. I think perhaps it was quite close to a 15 rating considering all the justifications they're trying to make.
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  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    To me it looks like they are panicking to get across their reason for choosing a 12A rather than a PG.
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  • AshAsh Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Haha, yes, I think you're right. Ah well I didn't expect much tbh, I've come to terms with what these films are and to whom they are marketed. I guess with these last two I expected more, but I'll still enjoy them for what they are.
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