ive changed my tune. adam isn,t really that disruptive and the things he says are pretty hilarious. don't kick him out im ok with him being here and that's my 2 cents. >-
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Saw the film again and it holds up. I was thinking about if these movies would have been two and I'm glad they are three. My butt began to hurt when Bilbo went into Gollum's cave. Then it would have been another hour. Peter Jackson is a master filmmaker. I don't know why everyone is tripping that its three films now.
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I was thinking about if these movies would have been two and I'm glad they are three. My butt began to hurt when Bilbo went into Gollum's cave. Then it would have been another hour.
I doubt they would have been 3 and a half hour each. The storytelling would be tighter with two movies rather than three.
But you already know that wouldn't work for Peter Jackson. Two condensed movies with a buttload of footage left, then he wanted to add The Battle of Five Armies. The second film could've ended after Smaugs attack.
LoyalWeasley18 - POTTERMORE EARLY MEMBER -CRIMSONICE199-
They couldve made it into twofilms if they deleted some unecessarry stuff like the necromanser legolas and taurel. The first part couldve ended when bilbo sees the dragon.
My general feeling after seeing both parts now - is that these films are very bloated with all the 'fluff' as Richard mentioned. Like that stuff is nice don't get me wrong, if you're a Middle Earth fan that stuff is a genuine treat. However as someone who hasn't read the book I just feel like the films have lacked a whole lot of focus. Like you get that Bilbo is the main, but he seems largely forgotten in part two during the portion in the middle.
As a Tolkien fan I can see Peter Jackson is doing fan service with the Hobbit films, and even to me they do feel overlong.
He is doing fan service, he has been saying that for the longest. He doesn't care about people hating his films. When it comes to Tolkien, he films long movies, everyone should know that. These movies come from his heart and his love for the fans.
LoyalWeasley18 - POTTERMORE EARLY MEMBER -CRIMSONICE199-
Honestly that's all I care about at this point and I don't mind. LOTR was the epic film masterpiece, let these be a kick back treat for Middle Earth fans, I'm a-okay with that.
Hopefully the opposite is true for Potter - that the Potter film series were the nice adaptations and Fantastic Beasts will try really hard to be some great films as opposed to a fangeek movie.
They couldve made it into twofilms if they deleted some unecessarry stuff like the necromanser legolas and taurel. The first part couldve ended when bilbo sees the dragon.
I'd actually like the film a lot less if they didn't include the stuff with the Necromancer. Reading the book I was always very interested in this unseen villain and keen to learn more about him, which you do in the appendices of Return of the King but Tolkien's description of it is very vague. I was very excited when I found out they were going to include this in the film and so far they've done a damn good job with it.
You also have to consider that if you didn't include the Necromancer storyline, Gandalf woud be absent for a significant portion of the film. Yes, Legolas is there mainly for nostalgia, but his presence makes total sense since he's Thranduil's son and the book didn't go into detail about any of the wood-elves. Finally, including Tauriel was definitely a smart move because if there wasn't a strong female character in this it would alienate an entire demographic.
Holy fuck I thought Potter purists were bad, but reading all the complaints of Tolkein enthusiasts make laugh my ass off. The things people can complain about...
And they had three films for the same book.Now that's being truly ungrateful.
EXACTLY! Complaining about Tauriel I could understand, similar to complaining about Arwen with inventing of a strong female character, which I agree is necessary but I can see opposing views.
BUT IVE SEEN A DISCUSSION HOW SMAUG WASNT EXACTLY AS DESCRIBED LIKE WHAT THE FUCK. THATS LIKE IF WE COMPLAINED THE PALE DRAGON IN GRINGOTTS WAS BEIGE INSTEAD OH NO IMAGINE THE HORROR.
But really though, some people will go at any lengths to complain. If I want to experience a bunch of poems and songs and tales I'll read the book. I want an epic representation by Peter Jackson that'll be infinitely better than whatever these "scholarly" anal Tolkein fans want.
Shit I just realized how beserk I went there. Eh no regrets.
I don't even mind the extra stuff with the elves and the necromancer and what not. The problem is that they were poorly incorporated into the story. You can tell Jackson was just like "hey let's throw in some legolas and tauriel!" Better planning and editing would have done these films wonders.
I don't even mind the extra stuff with the elves and the necromancer and what not. The problem is that they were poorly incorporated into the story. You can tell Jackson was just like "hey let's throw in some legolas and tauriel!" Better planning and editing would have done these films wonders.
Preach. What didn't do these films wonders was the decision to change the entire structure a mere four months away from the release of the first film, far after principal photography had ended.
I don't even mind the extra stuff with the elves and the necromancer and what not. The problem is that they were poorly incorporated into the story. You can tell Jackson was just like "hey let's throw in some legolas and tauriel!" Better planning and editing would have done these films wonders.
Preach. What didn't do these films wonders was the decision to change the entire structure a mere four months away from the release of the first film, far after principal photography had ended.
Not saying I disagree, but that's not technically true. Couldn't they have decided well before a press release about it?
I don't even mind the extra stuff with the elves and the necromancer and what not. The problem is that they were poorly incorporated into the story. You can tell Jackson was just like "hey let's throw in some legolas and tauriel!" Better planning and editing would have done these films wonders.
Preach. What didn't do these films wonders was the decision to change the entire structure a mere four months away from the release of the first film, far after principal photography had ended.
Not saying I disagree, but that's not technically true. Couldn't they have decided well before a press release about it?
Certainly, but regardless, they set out to make two films and suffered massively because of the trilogy-split-decision that was made at some point during production. I truly believe if Peter had planned the trilogy out before he started shooting, if they wrote three original scripts, and had several years to plan three distinct movies, these films would've ended up a whole lot better.
I watched AUJ again the other day and I was left wondering why DoS's dialogue can't even touch what was in AUJ. So bad. Can anyone remember anything remotely well written in terms of dialogue in DoS?
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Lord Stafford.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Lord Stafford.
oh the movie was good too
Hopefully the opposite is true for Potter - that the Potter film series were the nice adaptations and Fantastic Beasts will try really hard to be some great films as opposed to a fangeek movie.
You also have to consider that if you didn't include the Necromancer storyline, Gandalf woud be absent for a significant portion of the film. Yes, Legolas is there mainly for nostalgia, but his presence makes total sense since he's Thranduil's son and the book didn't go into detail about any of the wood-elves. Finally, including Tauriel was definitely a smart move because if there wasn't a strong female character in this it would alienate an entire demographic.
Lord Stafford.
BUT IVE SEEN A DISCUSSION HOW SMAUG WASNT EXACTLY AS DESCRIBED LIKE WHAT THE FUCK. THATS LIKE IF WE COMPLAINED THE PALE DRAGON IN GRINGOTTS WAS BEIGE INSTEAD OH NO IMAGINE THE HORROR.
But really though, some people will go at any lengths to complain. If I want to experience a bunch of poems and songs and tales I'll read the book. I want an epic representation by Peter Jackson that'll be infinitely better than whatever these "scholarly" anal Tolkein fans want.
Shit I just realized how beserk I went there. Eh no regrets.
Lord Stafford.
Lord Stafford.
Lord Stafford.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.