Jo is still somewhat involved with the creation. What exactly would you consider ''canon'' to be?
Materiel in published, written form. That means, it's in a book or nothing else. I don't even consider the stuff on Pottermore to be Canon.
If it came from her mind it's canon. That's where the world first existed. Argument over.
What he said.
NumberEight, you're not in any book are you? By your logic, I guess I should assume you are not canon -- aka, information you tell me about yourself is untruthful, and does not exist, because it is not in a book.
However, by our logic, information you tell me about yourself, because it came from YOU, is truthful, because it came from your brain. Unless you lie....
JK Rowling is the creator of Harry Potter, and everything she has said so far (which seems to come from information in numerous files and folders she has -- much of which is not in books -- and is slowly releasing) is canon. Would you call her a liar?
You are seriously comparing reality to fiction in regards to canon? My life events will not be remembered throughout the ages. I'm a peon and an inconsequential human being. What Rowling wrote will be and any information she deems important, like all of the stuff spoken about after DH was released, should be in written form to preserve it. It's not canon. Period. Dumbledore being gay is not canon. Everything the characters do after DH is not canon. She says these are important aspects of her story but neglected to put it on paper. If we are to corroborate the things she says in debate, how do we properly reference the material other than falling prey to hearsay? When the information is put on paper, it's official.
I am willing to concede that what's on Pottermore is canon, but only those tidbits followed by her signature. The internet complicates things.
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Also, saying the author's words are canon opens her up to possible contradictions in the future because there's no way she can realistically remember everything she's said in interviews.
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She has files upon numerous files! Everything she knows about her creation she has catalogued. She WAS going to write the Encyclopedia and everything she's reported about the next generation --which by the way is written out in a family tree, by her... search for it... that is canon. Everything she's said about the character's lives past DH is canon -- she's written it out with her signature, search for it, it is canon.
Just concede that you are wrong. Everything you said about "Dumbledore being gay" and post DH not being canon is wrong, and you will be wrong when it is put on Pottermore, and if it is every put in the encyclopedia she said she'd create, but put it back for other important stuff. It is better to say you are wrong now, instead of later, when she puts this information in books and -- by your logic -- making it canon. Most of the information on Pottermore is from her, or her research team. The profiles about characters. I don't know if Dumbledore's full profile is there yet, but when it does, I am sure his sexuality will be there. By your logic, that would make it canon.
Again, she has numerous files that she has stored away, and goes to for her information. Dumbledore's sexuality is evident in Deathly Hallows... his love for Gellert, and Gellert's denying it is clear there. That is canon. She is the creator of this world, and has all this information -- you can see that in everything she releases about Pottermore. She would not contradict herself and if she did, she'd say she did.
Give her more credit. She is not stupid about her created world. She is co-producing the play, and offering information, information SHE knows about her world -- to the writer... just like she did with the script writer for the movies. SHE knows what she is talking about because it is her world.
Just because you keep saying I'm wrong doesn't mean I'm wrong. You're wrong, SoulxxBond. Face it. You're wrong because I said you're wrong.
You only think the clues of Dumbledore's sexuality is in the text because she came out and said he was gay. Had she not, it would have been mere speculation and others likely wouldn't not have picked up on it. Like millions of others thought, they were just very close friends who had a falling out. But no. He is gay because Rowling wanted to spark some controversy for her now-dead series.
She has files. Sure. Let's say they are lost in a fire. Is that Canon now gone? I'd say yes because there's no way she can replicate those filesand a lot of that information isn't in print form that will enver be lost.
By the way, because Rowling produced the DH movies, those movies are now canon and thus contradict the books.
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Just because you keep saying I'm wrong doesn't mean I'm wrong. You're wrong, SoulxxBond. Face it. You're wrong because I said you're wrong.
I stopped as soon as I read this. This just proves you're a superficial git. You don't seem to respect anything on this forum except the words coming out your mouth or being typed from your fingers. Everything you've been saying is insulting JK Rowling. I highly doubt you're even a Harry Potter fan... or if you were, you're not one anymore, or one respectable enough to hang around here. I'm just going to ignore what you say from now on for sake of my own sanity.
I agree with 8 to a point. I think everything on Pottermore is Canon since Jk is writing that information, but while I disagree about the Dumbledore is gay and other parts I see his POV. He's not 100% wrong.
I also don't know whether to think these plays will be canon or not. Just because Rowling is involved does not mean they are canon. She was involved in the movies, they aren't canon in relation to book stories. Fantastic beasts will be canon because she's actually writing it. Idk about the play, not that it's a big deal at all because to me it isn't, but just my 2 cents.
Just because you keep saying I'm wrong doesn't mean I'm wrong. You're wrong, SoulxxBond. Face it. You're wrong because I said you're wrong.
I stopped as soon as I read this. This just proves you're a superficial git. You don't seem to respect anything on this forum except the words coming out your mouth or being typed from your fingers. Everything you've been saying is insulting JK Rowling. I highly doubt you're even a Harry Potter fan... or if you were, you're not one anymore, or one respectable enough to hang around here. I'm just going to ignore what you say from now on for sake of my own sanity.
The quote you responded to is sarcasm. It can be an effective rhetorical strategy.
I respect her. I love her vast world. I like what she created. I just wish she was putting information on page instead of in a play. I didn't know the extent of my love for the series was predicated on liking everything she does. The problem here is that you came across opposition, ie a critic of Rowling, and you disregard what I say because I don't like everything Potter 100%.
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
I agree with 8 to a point. I think everything on Pottermore is Canon since Jk is writing that information, but while I disagree about the Dumbledore is gay and other parts I see his POV. He's not 100% wrong.
I also don't know whether to think these plays will be canon or not. Just because Rowling is involved does not mean they are canon. She was involved in the movies, they aren't canon in relation to book stories. Fantastic beasts will be canon because she's actually writing it. Idk about the play, not that it's a big deal at all because to me it isn't, but just my 2 cents.
Thank you, Martin. The canon debate is a touchy subject because we all have different standards. Mine are high and I must admit that this play idea sours me because only select view will be able to see it unless it gets home video release. That's doubtful. If all of this information was published in book form, or even on Pottermore (with her signature, of course), it would have worldwide reach.
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So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
I agree with 8 to a point. I think everything on Pottermore is Canon since Jk is writing that information, but while I disagree about the Dumbledore is gay and other parts I see his POV. He's not 100% wrong.
I also don't know whether to think these plays will be canon or not. Just because Rowling is involved does not mean they are canon. She was involved in the movies, they aren't canon in relation to book stories. Fantastic beasts will be canon because she's actually writing it. Idk about the play, not that it's a big deal at all because to me it isn't, but just my 2 cents.
Thank you, Martin. The canon debate is a touchy subject because we all have different standards. Mine are high and I must admit that this play idea sours me because only select view will be able to see it unless it gets home video release. That's doubtful. If all of this information was published in book form, or even on Pottermore (with her signature, of course), it would have worldwide reach.
Bold to emphasize.
These days you'll find it is more common than not for this to happen. It will more than likely happen. Harry Potter is still huge in popularity, especially in fan-polls. Recently, the series of books won in a fan-poll from Entertainment Weekly as the best YA series ever. So it is still popular. It will be in high demand to see, however, not everyone is able to see the play. Therefore, it will probably be a home video release, which would have a huge profit, just like any of the movies or books. I guarantee that.
I sincerely hope so, Soul. It would be cool if they toured worldwide as well.
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So Number 8 you consider all she reveal in interview like what ?
I only see what's in the books as canon and maybe the stuff on Pottermore that's accompanied by her signature.
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I don't see what she says in an interview as lies. It may very well be true. I won't consider it official unless it's published on page in a book.
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It's not written by her, is it? This is at best only approved fan fiction. It could be a good play, but there is no way I'm considering this a part of the Harry Potter canon as created by Rowling.
Rowling will not write the stage piece — however, she will co-produce and collaborate with a playwright.
Jo is still somewhat involved with the creation. What exactly would you consider ''canon'' to be?
Books, appendices and information on Pottermore with her signature. A stage play written and directed by someone else is not canon. It is an adaptation, just like the Harry Potter movies. Do you consider the Deathly Hallows movies to be canon simply because Rowling was listed as a producer? As much as I disagree with purists' world view, they are right about one ting: The movies are not canon. Period. They are adaptations.
But like no of you can said in HOW much JK rowling will involved on the play so you can't basically call it a adaptation ! A vision, a point of view a open window
That is endless some people said that Beedle, Beast and Quidditch aren't canon just spinoff for money
For me all information coming for JK Rowling mind in whatever form is canon
I don't believe truth is relative, I believe we have a creator (JK) and whatever she established within her universe is 100% truth. Regardless of whether you think the medium is acceptable or not. We didn't create Harry Potter so who are we to decide what is true and what isn't about it?
Pretty simple logic.
"If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."
Jo is still somewhat involved with the creation. What exactly would you consider ''canon'' to be?
Materiel in published, written form. That means, it's in a book or nothing else. I don't even consider the stuff on Pottermore to be Canon.
If it came from her mind it's canon. That's where the world first existed. Argument over.
What he said.
NumberEight, you're not in any book are you? By your logic, I guess I should assume you are not canon -- aka, information you tell me about yourself is untruthful, and does not exist, because it is not in a book.
However, by our logic, information you tell me about yourself, because it came from YOU, is truthful, because it came from your brain. Unless you lie....
Okay this is going to bug me if I don't say something...but this is seriously the dumbest thing I have seen on HPF in my entire time I've been here. This honestly makes absolute zero sense for what you guys were talking about...
But anyways I have the same view as Martin regarding the conversation. 8 has some really great points and to just chuck that out and discredit it because it doesn't fit your idealized notions of what canon can be is really pointless. Why even be on a discussion board of you can't try to understand things from someone else's viewpoint?
Jo is still somewhat involved with the creation. What exactly would you consider ''canon'' to be?
Materiel in published, written form. That means, it's in a book or nothing else. I don't even consider the stuff on Pottermore to be Canon.
If it came from her mind it's canon. That's where the world first existed. Argument over.
What he said.
NumberEight, you're not in any book are you? By your logic, I guess I should assume you are not canon -- aka, information you tell me about yourself is untruthful, and does not exist, because it is not in a book.
However, by our logic, information you tell me about yourself, because it came from YOU, is truthful, because it came from your brain. Unless you lie....
Okay this is going to bug me if I don't say something...but this is seriously the dumbest thing I have seen on HPF in my entire time I've been here. This honestly makes absolute zero sense for what you guys were talking about...
But anyways I have the same view as Martin regarding the conversation. 8 has some really great points and to just chuck that out and discredit it because it doesn't fit your idealized notions of what canon can be is really pointless. Why even be on a discussion board of you can't try to understand things from someone else's viewpoint?
I'd like to add that saying someone is wrong makes no sense when you're talking opinions.
Okay this is going to bug me if I don't say something...but this is seriously the dumbest thing I have seen on HPF in my entire time I've been here.
I'll accept this jab, if you accept that I too have seen some "dumb" things from you as well. No, I won't say exactly what, because it would mean I'd have to search through numerous posts of yours to find them. Just know that we share some like-minded opinions in what you stated above.
As was stated in a post above mine. That is my opinion, and should not be argued as me being "wrong".
I wish JK would put everything in book form but if it came from her it happened... There's not room for an opinion? We just wish and I underline JK write it down into a book.
I have the same dilemma in Video Games. My favorite game series has the Canon storyline told over 5 different platforms, two of which I don't own. I damn sure wish they had all been converted to one (which most of them have been finally) but all the same.
Same thing with Kingdom Hearts. Just because the story is suddenly told on a game released on a handheld doesn't mean it's not canon.
Several MGS fans didn't want to claim PeaceWalker because it was on PSP but Lo and Behold MGS5 is a direct sequel to that game. Still canon because it came from the creator.
I've dreamed of writing books that had film releases with different material alongside a TV series that culminates in one finale... It's all canon if it came from me in my universe that exists in my head.
"If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."
She read through all the scripts to make sure they would have what was in her mind when she wrote the books. I see no reason for the films not to be considered canon.
The only scenes I might omit from canon were the Burrow attack in HBP and Harry and Hermione's dance in DH1 which were influenced by the director....
The movies are definitely not canon, they're adaptions. You can't really pick and choose specific scenes and say "oh well other than this it's canon."
Fantastic Beasts will be different because it's Rowling that's writing it and it's not an adaption of anything.
Regardless, I'm just stopping to think how cool this official play is. Just about every medium has now been covered: book, film, play, internet, fucking theme parks. What more can they do?
If she didn't actually create the story for this play then I don't consider it canon. I didn't interpret that part correctly... I thought she was writing the story but not actually writing the script for the play... My apologies :P
"If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."
She read through all the scripts to make sure they would have what was in her mind when she wrote the books. I see no reason for the films not to be considered canon.
The only scenes I might omit from canon were the Burrow attack in HBP and Harry and Hermione's dance in DH1 which were influenced by the director....
Rowling approved of the Burrow attack and the dance scene as well. According to you Rowling read through the scripts to make sure that's what she had in her mind when she wrote the book. By extension she also read through the Burrow attack scene and the dance scene to make sure that's what she had in her mind. Considering she approved them, one must conclude she figured that's what she really had on her mind by your logic. Faulty argument there and insulting towards the filmmakers who made all the choices. What you see on the screen is their vision, not Rowling's. It's as if you imply that Rowling had any artistic influence over the films and that the filmmakers' creativity was merely limited to the scenes you disliked. Yes, this is me putting words into your mouth because your argument makes no sense; Rowling did not read through the scripts in order to make sure they would have what was on her mind when she wrote the book. It is my understanding that Rowling approved the scripts because she trusted the filmmakers and understood the difference between the two mediums...or because she couldn't care less. Your pick. In the end WB could do whatever they wanted with the material, but they were kind enough to let her read through the scripts and give the filmmakers input if she wanted.
She will? I interpreted her influence to be limited to a consultant who is merely offering advice. So I guess someone else will write the first draft to the story and then consult her about it. Do you guys still think this is Rowling's work?
If both the books and films should be considered canon, how did Dumbledore really react to Harry being chosen for the triwizard tournament as defined by canon? Did he act calm or angry? That's the problem you see about considering the films canon as well because there are so many differences that it would only create confusion.
How it couldn't be there are NOTHING about Harry early years written at this time ! There are nothing actually except in JK mind for the writer to work on, the only one who know is HER . Like she have told Alan the lily/Severus story we could be confident she will give all the clues to the script writer to work ! Like i yet said we talk about JK Rowling !!!
How it couldn't be there are NOTHING about Harry early years written at this time ! There are nothing actually except in JK mind for the writer to work on, the only one who know is HER . Like she have told Alan the lily/Severus story we could be confident she will give all the clues to the script writer to work ! Like i yet said we talk about JK Rowling !!!
I'm sure she will offer her help and give clues to the script writer. The stage play is based on her universe, but it's still going to be someone else's work unless you want to discredit those people. It's not true that the writer has nothing to work on; I'm sure he/she is perfectly capable of working with his/her own imagination and creativity based on Rowling's universe.
The movies are definitely not canon, they're adaptions. You can't really pick and choose specific scenes and say "oh well other than this it's canon."
Fantastic Beasts will be different because it's Rowling that's writing it and it's not an adaption of anything.
Regardless, I'm just stopping to think how cool this official play is. Just about every medium has now been covered: book, film, play, internet, fucking theme parks. What more can they do?
Yes she/he could i don't discredited her/him but if JK Rowling said yes that surely because that will be the story she would have told not the story imagined by a other one person (reason she wrote FB script remember ) That will be her story but told by someone else !!
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NumberEight, you're not in any book are you? By your logic, I guess I should assume you are not canon -- aka, information you tell me about yourself is untruthful, and does not exist, because it is not in a book.
However, by our logic, information you tell me about yourself, because it came from YOU, is truthful, because it came from your brain. Unless you lie....
JK Rowling is the creator of Harry Potter, and everything she has said so far (which seems to come from information in numerous files and folders she has -- much of which is not in books -- and is slowly releasing) is canon. Would you call her a liar?
I am willing to concede that what's on Pottermore is canon, but only those tidbits followed by her signature. The internet complicates things.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Just concede that you are wrong. Everything you said about "Dumbledore being gay" and post DH not being canon is wrong, and you will be wrong when it is put on Pottermore, and if it is every put in the encyclopedia she said she'd create, but put it back for other important stuff. It is better to say you are wrong now, instead of later, when she puts this information in books and -- by your logic -- making it canon. Most of the information on Pottermore is from her, or her research team. The profiles about characters. I don't know if Dumbledore's full profile is there yet, but when it does, I am sure his sexuality will be there. By your logic, that would make it canon.
Again, she has numerous files that she has stored away, and goes to for her information. Dumbledore's sexuality is evident in Deathly Hallows... his love for Gellert, and Gellert's denying it is clear there. That is canon. She is the creator of this world, and has all this information -- you can see that in everything she releases about Pottermore. She would not contradict herself and if she did, she'd say she did.
Give her more credit. She is not stupid about her created world. She is co-producing the play, and offering information, information SHE knows about her world -- to the writer... just like she did with the script writer for the movies. SHE knows what she is talking about because it is her world.
You only think the clues of Dumbledore's sexuality is in the text because she came out and said he was gay. Had she not, it would have been mere speculation and others likely wouldn't not have picked up on it. Like millions of others thought, they were just very close friends who had a falling out. But no. He is gay because Rowling wanted to spark some controversy for her now-dead series.
She has files. Sure. Let's say they are lost in a fire. Is that Canon now gone? I'd say yes because there's no way she can replicate those filesand a lot of that information isn't in print form that will enver be lost.
By the way, because Rowling produced the DH movies, those movies are now canon and thus contradict the books.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
I also don't know whether to think these plays will be canon or not. Just because Rowling is involved does not mean they are canon. She was involved in the movies, they aren't canon in relation to book stories. Fantastic beasts will be canon because she's actually writing it. Idk about the play, not that it's a big deal at all because to me it isn't, but just my 2 cents.
I respect her. I love her vast world. I like what she created. I just wish she was putting information on page instead of in a play. I didn't know the extent of my love for the series was predicated on liking everything she does. The problem here is that you came across opposition, ie a critic of Rowling, and you disregard what I say because I don't like everything Potter 100%.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
These days you'll find it is more common than not for this to happen. It will more than likely happen. Harry Potter is still huge in popularity, especially in fan-polls. Recently, the series of books won in a fan-poll from Entertainment Weekly as the best YA series ever. So it is still popular. It will be in high demand to see, however, not everyone is able to see the play. Therefore, it will probably be a home video release, which would have a huge profit, just like any of the movies or books. I guarantee that.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
And the little prequel she wrote ? And the annotation on the book sold recently ? And all we have discover on her ancient website (wizard 's card)
http://www.universharrypotter.com/galerie/j.k.-rowling/actions-caritatives/en-2013/vente-aux-encheres-premiere-edition-hp1/
http://www.universharrypotter.com/galerie/j.k.-rowling/jk-rowling.com-ancienne-version/sorciers-du-mois/
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That is endless some people said that Beedle, Beast and Quidditch aren't canon just spinoff for money
For me all information coming for JK Rowling mind in whatever form is canon
Pretty simple logic.
But anyways I have the same view as Martin regarding the conversation. 8 has some really great points and to just chuck that out and discredit it because it doesn't fit your idealized notions of what canon can be is really pointless. Why even be on a discussion board of you can't try to understand things from someone else's viewpoint?
As was stated in a post above mine. That is my opinion, and should not be argued as me being "wrong".
I have the same dilemma in Video Games. My favorite game series has the Canon storyline told over 5 different platforms, two of which I don't own. I damn sure wish they had all been converted to one (which most of them have been finally) but all the same.
Same thing with Kingdom Hearts. Just because the story is suddenly told on a game released on a handheld doesn't mean it's not canon.
Several MGS fans didn't want to claim PeaceWalker because it was on PSP but Lo and Behold MGS5 is a direct sequel to that game. Still canon because it came from the creator.
I've dreamed of writing books that had film releases with different material alongside a TV series that culminates in one finale... It's all canon if it came from me in my universe that exists in my head.
And if it's really not, then fuck my argument.
The only scenes I might omit from canon were the Burrow attack in HBP and Harry and Hermione's dance in DH1 which were influenced by the director....
Fantastic Beasts will be different because it's Rowling that's writing it and it's not an adaption of anything.
Regardless, I'm just stopping to think how cool this official play is. Just about every medium has now been covered: book, film, play, internet, fucking theme parks. What more can they do?
But if you considered that the 3 brother story could be watch apart the movie that have been done too
Dark she will write the story and help to the script if no how the writer could work he/she will not b in JK Rowling mind
Lord Stafford.