So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
The screencap was put there to piss off those who hate the movie. It probably didn't work.
Art had its uses. It no longer does when it has been crippled by the hands of capitalists
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
If you only had an idea of what we learn in film school, I would already respect you. But you have none.
Just to illustrate, here are some of the subjects I had:
Scriptwriting Structuring Art History Movie History Scriptwriting Techniques Film Theory Film Criticism Cinematography and Lighting Sound Editing Editing Post Production and Visual Effects Cast Direction Film Legislation and Ethic Scenography and Art Direction Film Business and Market Studies
If you can learn everything by yourself, good luck my friend. If you think that understanding movies is posting shitty and poorly written little paragraphs reviewing films in a forum on the internet, I maintain my opinion that you are a very ignorant person.
That is what I've been looking for. Thanks for the list. The only things I see on that list that would remotely need training would be the technical stuff. Writing? No. Film theory? No. Film criticism? No. Film legislation and ethics? No. All of these can be learned by reading books. It's as simple as teaching yourself algebra by reading books. ANd how hard would it be to learn which books are assigned for these courses? Hell, you can go to my university's website and find out what books are required for the useful stuff. But I don't expect art cunts like yourself to go out of your way to attempt that. We can't be learning anyfing usefull, can we?
Ry, why didn't you flag his post when he called me ignorant? Inconsistent cunt you are, yes.
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
You are the sassiest bitch in all the land, and you know it haha
...but I do have to ask, what do you do for a living? At times it sounds like you are a pissed off Math Teacher or something...
I am currently enrolled in university earning a degree in mathematics with a teacher certification. I begin teaching next month to earn some experience and to help with possible substitution jobs while I continue my studies. I don't see how this is relevant at all, but there you go.
My long term goal is to teach high school while I earn a masters dewgree and then move on to community colleges. Those schools are unfairly maligned and I wouldn't be where I'm at now with them. I want to give back to the society that has allowed me to be semi-educated (can you ever be fully educated?) by becoming a public servant with the hopes of inspiring children.
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
He had it wrong. I'm not a math teacher just yet. And I'm not pissed off. I think it's blatantly obvious I'm trolling you all. Why else would I drop the misogynistic "cunt" freely and denigrate someone's profession because they happen to enjoy it? I'm not that much of an asshole. I'm certainly no Scrooge.
Happy holidays motherfuckers!
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Plus, why would I trash an entire subject when I take massive pleasure from it? I would't love writing if it wasn't for art. i wouldn't be able to discuss classic literature at school in a meaningful way if it wasn't for art. I wouldn't enjoy playing my guitar if it wasn't for art.
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
You are the sassiest bitch in all the land, and you know it haha
...but I do have to ask, what do you do for a living? At times it sounds like you are a pissed off Math Teacher or something...
I am currently enrolled in university earning a degree in mathematics with a teacher certification. I begin teaching next month to earn some experience and to help with possible substitution jobs while I continue my studies. I don't see how this is relevant at all, but there you go.
This makes so much sense to me now...lol.
Also, Thanks for calling me a cunt. That is real lovely.
You are the sassiest bitch in all the land, and you know it haha
...but I do have to ask, what do you do for a living? At times it sounds like you are a pissed off Math Teacher or something...
I am currently enrolled in university earning a degree in mathematics with a teacher certification. I begin teaching next month to earn some experience and to help with possible substitution jobs while I continue my studies. I don't see how this is relevant at all, but there you go.
My long term goal is to teach high school while I earn a masters dewgree and then move on to community colleges. Those schools are unfairly maligned and I wouldn't be where I'm at now with them. I want to give back to the society that has allowed me to be semi-educated (can you ever be fully educated?) by becoming a public servant with the hopes of inspiring children.
You know for as bitter as you sound sometimes I really hope I never have you as an instructor. What good is it going to do the students if you berate and talk down to them all the time? Are you going to talk to them like you talk to students on here? If so...yeah good luck maintaining a job in the field. You sound like you have the right intentions going into the job it is just your personality that is going to cause tension from what I can read from you here.
Seriously, you said on another thread that you were having a bad day so what do you do? Be a complete jerk in this thread? I mean seriously, does making Ad Hominem comments make you feel good about yourself? It certainly doesnt me...Heck even posting that Tumblr picture of the "Nub Life" (Which I felt you would enjoy) made me cringe as I posted it just because I know it isnt the right thing to do but I felt it would get a kick out of you but nooooo, instead you just keep going and going and going...what is even the point?
He had it wrong. I'm not a math teacher just yet. And I'm not pissed off. I think it's blatantly obvious I'm trolling you all. Why else would I drop the misogynistic "cunt" freely and denigrate someone's profession because they happen to enjoy it? I'm not that much of an asshole. I'm certainly no Scrooge.
Happy holidays motherfuckers!
Seriously, If you get to teach one day I genuinely feel sorry for your students...
Now, now. I'm not a very good troll. I've never been good at it. It just surprises me that people took this seriously when I have made posts before celebrating art,.
Of course I did have that horrible thread about art vs. science, but that was a while back. People change. I realized that my hatred of art stemmed from the fact that these people are paid extreme amounts of money for their talents, something I'd never possess. Plus, all that negativity was killing me inside.
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
You know for as bitter as you sound sometimes I really hope I never have you as an instructor. What good is it going to do the students if you berate and talk down to them all the time? Are you going to talk to them like you talk to students on here? If so...yeah good luck maintaining a job in the field. You sound like you have the right intentions going into the job it is just your personality that is going to cause tension from what I can read from you here.
I would never treat students the way I did here. I don't even treat people this way. I don't treat the people I tutor this way either. I actually have a bright, fun, and humorous personality. I just said I was trolling. Why? I'm bored and waiting for January to come so I can get back to mathematics.
Seriously, you said on another thread that you were having a bad day so what do you do? Be a complete jerk in this thread? I mean seriously, does making Ad Hominem comments make you feel good about yourself? It certainly doesnt me...Heck even posting that Tumblr picture of the "Nub Life" (Which I felt you would enjoy) made me cringe as I posted it just because I know it isnt the right thing to do but I felt it would get a kick out of you but nooooo, instead you just keep going and going and going...what is even the point?
It is a new day, mate. The bad day was yesterday. And i did get a kick out of that tumblr photo. I laughed and posted "You're goddamned right!' in a facetious manner. It's a good photo.
Also, insults aren't ad hominems. If I insulted you without any argument, ie attacking the messenger, then it would be one.
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
I didn't mean for my post to trigger such a heated debate about art schools. I mentioned it to highlight that you can gain knowledge about film without education and even succeed in the industry (against all odds), but I never suggested education was useless. It's productive if you make the best out of it.
Anyway, my main point is that we should be humble about art and not degrade opinions. Henrick is of course right that it's arrogant to think you are an expert when you clearly have limited knowledge. I understand that he is frustrated at those looking down on art education. I greatly admire talented musicians, drawers and painters because I know how incredibly hard it is (trust me, I've tried rather unsuccessfully! Haven't we all in primary school?)
Likewise I find that some in academia seem to think they have climbed Mount Everest upon graduating when they really are only halfway to the top. The foundation is laid, but it's now the hard work begins. It's pretentious to look down on less educated people in the field as if their opinions are invaluable when we are dealing with an art form that all people embrace and appreciate to varying degrees. You are probably more knowledgable about film than most who haven't studied it, but while that may make you better at understanding and articulating what's good and bad cinema, I think we should respect all opinions. Movies are made for the public after all. How the audience responds to your movies is vital and valuable information for a filmmaker.
Likewise I find that some in academia seem to think they have climbed Mount Everest upon graduating when they really are only halfway to the top. The foundation is laid, but it's now the hard work begins. It's pretentious to look down on less educated people as if their opinions are invaluable when we are dealing with an art form that all people embrace and appreciate to varying degrees. You are probably more knowledgable than most who haven't studied film, but while that may make you better at understanding and articulating what's good and bad cinema, I think we should respect all opinions. Movies are made for the public after all. How the audience respond to your movies is vital and valuable information.
I have a friend who does this. He thinks that because he has a BS in engineering from a prestigious school, it means he's the smartest dude alive. When we get together, he's always ragging on people and their activities. He does it to me. Thank god I'm only around that cloud of negativity once a year.
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
You know for as bitter as you sound sometimes I really hope I never have you as an instructor. What good is it going to do the students if you berate and talk down to them all the time? Are you going to talk to them like you talk to students on here? If so...yeah good luck maintaining a job in the field. You sound like you have the right intentions going into the job it is just your personality that is going to cause tension from what I can read from you here.
I would never treat students the way I did here. I don't even treat people this way. I don't treat the people I tutor this way either. I actually have a bright, fun, and humorous personality. I just said I was trolling. Why? I'm bored and waiting for January to come so I can get back to mathematics.
Seriously, you said on another thread that you were having a bad day so what do you do? Be a complete jerk in this thread? I mean seriously, does making Ad Hominem comments make you feel good about yourself? It certainly doesnt me...Heck even posting that Tumblr picture of the "Nub Life" (Which I felt you would enjoy) made me cringe as I posted it just because I know it isnt the right thing to do but I felt it would get a kick out of you but nooooo, instead you just keep going and going and going...what is even the point?
It is a new day, mate. The bad day was yesterday. And i did get a kick out of that tumblr photo. I laughed and posted "You're goddamned right!' in a facetious manner. It's a good photo.
Also, insults aren't ad hominems. If I insulted you without any argument, ie attacking the messenger, then it would be one.
Actually...
Abusive Abusive ad hominem (also called personal abuse or personal attacks) usually involves insulting or belittling one's opponents in order to attack their claims or invalidate their arguments, but can also involve pointing out true character flaws or actions that are irrelevant to the opponent's argument. This is logically fallacious because it relates to the opponent's personal character, which has nothing to do with the logical merit of the opponent's argument, whereas mere verbal abuse in the absence of an argument is not ad hominem nor any kind of logical fallacy.[6]
"Ry, why didn't you flag his post when he called me ignorant? Inconsistent cunt you are, yes."
"Ryguy: The bastion of dumbfuckitis on HPF."
Anyways, I have better things to do than this garbage.
One of those is an insult and one of those is an actual argument. It was inconsistent of you to flag my post for "douchebag" but not Henrick's for "ignorant." The argument is there, though laced with obscene language. And yes, you do have better things to do.
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Now, now. I'm not a very good troll. I've never been good at it. It just surprises me that people took this seriously when I have made posts before celebrating art,.
Of course I did have that horrible thread about art vs. science, but that was a while back. People change. I realized that my hatred of art stemmed from the fact that these people are paid extreme amounts of money for their talents, something I'd never possess. Plus, all that negativity was killing me inside.
Oh please... it is simple... after all those numerous posts insulting and heatedly debating-slash-arguing, you got tired of it and decided to say it was trolling. Trolling is worse, much worse, and you admitted to it. People have been banned on this forum for it. And you admitted to it. Bad idea.
Do you think I care if I'm banned, Soul? I don't. This forum became less interesting when Potter died. ALl it means is that a few mintues of my day are now ready to be filled with some new adventure.
Pottermore username: DustBlade76
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
For the record guys I think we all know Art and Science go hand in hand. I couldn't hope to get my Physics degree if there wasn't music and arts to inspire me. There can't be any of that without artists. Plus, without the liberal arts girls, who's gonna give all the free Head around campus?
"If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."
Still the best Bond movie I've seen. The poker scenes were not as long as I remembered them, which was the only objection I had against it. Now I have none. It is an extremely well-paced and balanced movie.
[Just going to ignore the terribly hilarious argument] Rise of the Guardians 8/10 Beautiful. A real treat for the kids. I know some of you are probably thinking it was 'cringeworthy' and 'cheesy' and the like. But if you expected any less from a film about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, etc, you're kidding yourself. I won't go into too detailed an analysis for a film clearly intended for people who hold their childhood close to heart, but I have to say that it was better than I expected, and very touching. All the voice acting was superb, even if I thought Chris Pine's very adult voice coming from teenage-looking Jack was weird at first, he warmed up to me, if you'll pardon the pun. Truly stunning visuals, lovely score, and beautiful story. I feel all happy inside.
From the moment Bilbo says 'Rivendale' onward the movie was great fun. It's ties to LOTR were noticeable and greatly accepted. I actually loved it for what it is.
However...
I'm afraid this won't break out beyond the fans. The casual movie goer will be lucky to make it past the first act without being bored or confused...
"If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."
I'm not going to address any name calling or the back and forth that occurred, by my little two cents is that (talking about the US) I find the art majors, I don't want to say pointless because they aren't, but not the best decision. I mean if its your passion, why should anything I say matter, ignore me, do what you want, but they're consistently ranked among the lowest in jobs available or salary. You never hear about that engineer or doctor or math major in debt, aka where all the money and job security is these days. Paying 100+ thousand for school to make the average art degree graduate of slightly over 30K, eh....it just worries me because its not like there people screaming "oh hello art majors here's a line of jobs with guaranteed money over hurr," that exists with the other majors in careers in math, science, and technology. That's just my personal opinion, it's about the return you'll get on your investment, and right now, and 80-100 thousand dollar investment in an art degree isn't worth it. Hey if you're getting scholarships or your tuition is significantly lower than that, kudos, you won't have this problem, but to those with this problem it isn't the best choice in today's economy IMO
The green mile Hadn't seen this movie before and it was so emotional! The end left me quite devastated. Great acting, the movie never felt too long, even with its 3 hour runtime. A true masterpiece.
I remember when I was younger that my parents used to say to me: Don't judge, and always put yourself in another person's situation. I guess it is really easy to sit down and start saying that Art Degrees are not the best decision because it is hard to become successful or harder to earn money. Everybody that chooses to follow an Art related career is passionate about it. And honestly? They are the bravest people around. Why? Because they don't fall for conformism.
I would never study something that I'm not good at, or that I don't feel passionate about it, just for the sake of being rich or successful. I could never accept that. I consider myself a very brave person that gave Filmmaking a shot -specially in a country where a film industry basically doesn't exist. Harder to find jobs? Yes. Harder to settle? Yes. But I feel so proud of my degree and I would never go back and change that.
There's too types of people: the ones who fall for the conformism and spend their lives doing what they don't like just for the sake of having a comfortable life, or the ones who go for the challenge and their dreams taking risks no matter what. I, personally, put myself in the second group.
And honestly? Nowadays, it is hard for any field to be succesful. Don't think that you'll leave University with thousands of dollars in your hands and in one of the best positions available.
I remember when I was younger that my parents used to say to me: Don't judge, and always put yourself in another person's situation. I guess it is really easy to sit down and start saying that Art Degrees are not the best decision because it is hard to become successful or harder to earn money. Everybody that chooses to follow an Art related career is passionate about it. And honestly? They are the bravest people around. Why? Because they don't fall for conformism.
I would never study something that I'm not good at, or that I don't feel passionate about it, just for the sake of being rich or successful. I could never accept that. I consider myself a very brave person that gave Filmmaking a shot -specially in a country where a film industry basically doesn't exist. Harder to find jobs? Yes. Harder to settle? Yes. But I feel so proud of my degree and I would never go back and change that.
There's too types of people: the ones who fall for the conformism and spend their lives doing what they don't like just for the sake of having a comfortable life, or the ones who go for the challenge and their dreams taking risks no matter what. I, personally, put myself in the second group.
And honestly? Nowadays, it is hard for any field to be succesful. Don't think that you'll leave University with thousands of dollars in your hands and in one of the best positions available.
Like I said, if its what you're passionate about an you dislike today's main topics of science, math, tech and aren't the best at them, of course go into art. My arguing point is that right now they aren't the greatest degrees right now, not that you should change to match what's most successful.
I personally am a giant nerd, love the math and sciences and plan to major in biomedical engineering and go on to medschool. It's not for the money or job security, but I genuinely love these topics, so I don't want you to you think I'm doing this for money, I love math and science.
And doing that doesn't make you braver, I can make a similar argument: as a potential engineer going into premed, my work load will be maddening to many degrees with nights upon nights of no sleep, is that not brave? Or perhaps working 8+ years to get that job, so don't say it isn't as brave, because it is just as much.
But my point isn't for you to change, just to say they aren't the best degrees to get now. But that doesn't make them "braver" though like you say.
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey While interesting and culturally rich, the movie is painfully slow and visually uneven. The CGI is so bad some scenes look like pure videogame cutscenes. Not a bad movie, but also not great. It's just plain. 6/10
Like I said, if its what you're passionate about an you dislike today's main topics of science, math, tech and aren't the best at them, of course go into art. My arguing point is that right now they aren't the greatest degrees right now, not that you should change to match what's most successful.
I personally am a giant nerd, love the math and sciences and plan to major in biomedical engineering and go on to medschool. It's not for the money or job security, but I genuinely love these topics, so I don't want you to you think I'm doing this for money, I love math and science.
And doing that doesn't make you braver, I can make a similar argument: as a potential engineer going into premed, my work load will be maddening to many degrees with nights upon nights of no sleep, is that not brave? Or perhaps working 8+ years to get that job, so don't say it isn't as brave, because it is just as much.
But my point isn't for you to change, just to say they aren't the best degrees to get now. But that doesn't make them "braver" though like you say.
And why ArtDegrees aren't great? What make a Science degree so special, in comparison to a Art one?
Oh my friend. So you are basically saying that the only degrees that make you study hard are Science, Math? For your statement, what I understood is that Art Students don't study. And that's totally absurd and ridiculous. I'm currently taking an Art post-grad course and for the past week, if I got more than 2 hours a day of sleep is a lot. And honestly? Studying is the minimum you should do, independently of what course you are taking in university. And there's nothing brave about studying. It's your obligation.
And yes. Art Students are brave. And probably the bravest. Everybody know how hard is to find a job in our field, how hard is to settle a career. Even though, we try and pursue our dreams even if we don't know what lies ahead in the future. And that, is courage.
Like I said, if its what you're passionate about an you dislike today's main topics of science, math, tech and aren't the best at them, of course go into art. My arguing point is that right now they aren't the greatest degrees right now, not that you should change to match what's most successful.
I personally am a giant nerd, love the math and sciences and plan to major in biomedical engineering and go on to medschool. It's not for the money or job security, but I genuinely love these topics, so I don't want you to you think I'm doing this for money, I love math and science.
And doing that doesn't make you braver, I can make a similar argument: as a potential engineer going into premed, my work load will be maddening to many degrees with nights upon nights of no sleep, is that not brave? Or perhaps working 8+ years to get that job, so don't say it isn't as brave, because it is just as much.
But my point isn't for you to change, just to say they aren't the best degrees to get now. But that doesn't make them "braver" though like you say.
And why ArtDegrees aren't great? What make a Science degree so special, in comparison to a Art one?
Oh my friend. So you are basically saying that the only degrees that make you study hard are Science, Math? For your statement, what I understood is that Art Students don't study. And that's totally absurd and ridiculous. I'm currently taking an Art post-grad course and for the past week, if I got more than 2 hours a day of sleep is a lot. And honestly? Studying is the minimum you should do, independently of what course you are taking in university. And there's nothing brave about studying. It's your obligation.
And yes. Art Students are brave. And probably the bravest. Everybody know how hard is to find a job in our field, how hard is to settle a career. Even though, we try and pursue our dreams even if we don't know what lies ahead in the future. And that, is courage.
Science, math, and engineering degrees that lead into jobs based off those degrees are factual better based on almost any and all stats. That's not a rip on art degrees, they're just facts. They factually bring a better return for the investment, it's not an opinion I'm giving. This is numbers based.
And you're putting words in my mouth, seriously, did I say art students are not hardworking? No, I didn't. Did I say they don't work hard? No, I didn't. I said STEM (science technology engineering math) tend to have harder work for a longer period. There's new technology updating by the minute. Today's engineers will be obsolete in 10 years, so they have to go knowing they'll have to keep studying and to keep working around the clock to stay up to par with the rapid moving society. Art isn't on some pedestal for bravest students, and I'm NOT saying STEM students are, so don't put words in my mouth. All I'm going on about is STEM degrees are right now better. I didn't say better for you, or for people who hate it, or for people with a passion for art, but they are factual better degrees right now that bring a better return for your investment in education. And, as much we need arts, we need our doctors, scientists, and engineers way more.
I personally am a giant nerd, love the math and sciences and plan to major in biomedical engineering and go on to medschool. It's not for the money or job security, but I genuinely love these topics, so I don't want you to you think I'm doing this for money, I love math and science.
WTH dude???? I have never seen you answering even ONE of Nimra's (@Potter35's) Maths problems on Activity while I and Jordy were slogging our asses off.
LOL jk mate, relax. :P
Well just adding my two cents to the argument. As someone who LOVES Maths and engineering and sciences, and as someone who has obtained a bachelors and masters degree in Electrical Engineering and subsequently gone on to work on ethernet and network programming in a 92 billion dollar net worth American multinational company, I have to say that you can't treat Art as shit, pretentious and easy just because you are the nerdy / "techy" guy. They both essentially go hand in hand, and complement each other in ways that aren't even imaginable. I mean, the next time someone says Art learning is shit, he/she just needs to stop appreciating that favourite soundtrack of his or how he liked a photograph of a beautiful landscape in a travel magazine or the net. It is ingrained in the very crux of human history, progress and our day to day activities.
And the fools that bring out the stark differences between the two disciplines need to go check out a brief introduction about each of the great personalities who have achieved something in technical fields. Let's take Newton, shall we?
"Sir Isaac Newton PRS MP (25 December 1642 – 20 March 1727) was an English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, alchemist and theologian, who has been considered by many to be the greatest and most influential scientist who ever lived." - Wikipedia
See that emboldened text above? If they did not consider Arts and Sciences to be different, who the hell are we guys to do so? They are two sides of the same coin!! You can't appreciate Arts without understanding it's relevance to the world as a whole, and to Sciences in particular, and you can't appreciate Sciences without seeing the beauty that lies underneath - in short- Arts.
Trust me on this when I say that Art has really helped me to broaden my analytical perspectives, encouraged me to think out of the box and laterally and also hone and sharpen my creativity in a lot of my technical work, be it my final year major project in university or a particularly difficult network modelling algorithm I needed to write as part of my professional work. Science is not straight forward as it is made out to be, and once you are exposed to different art forms, you begin to appreciate how the fundamentals of the two disciplines are linked and manifest themselves. It's as simple as that.
I had this similar inferior attitude towards Arts when I was young. I remember we used to have an Art subject in my 3rd, 4th and 5th standard, and I used to positively hate when the time came to attend those classes. I used to crave that moment when the goddamned bell would ring so that I could hurry to my Maths textbook and start solving as many problems as I could. Thankfully, for me, I changed when I grew up lol.
As for the need to go and study in an Art university to understand and make a career in Arts, I would prefer not to say anything primarily because (as @Henrick says) it is very "convenient" to NOT be in a position/situation and still form 100% expert opinions about it. I am a bloody engineer by profession!! I don't know how Art universities work, so why force my half baked inconsistent opinion upon you all?
OK I would have typed more but unfortunately, 1) It's 5:42 am in the morning here and I haven't slept for 21 hours now. 2) You guys (Martin, Eight, Pumpkin, @DarthLedger, Rick etc) write FAR better posts than me anyways, so why write more? 3) I am over with my rant any which ways.
Good Night guys.
P.S.- Hope this doesn't start another round of heated discussions here. P.P.S. - Sorry Aaron, Rich etc for digressing from the topic of this thread, but I just felt the need to tell what I think about this issue. Don't ban me please.
Oh don't think that I think art is shitty, clearly I love it if I'm the movie music etc loving person I am, loll, the point I was making was hating on art, my point was a minor one about statistics out there, not to hate on art.
And I'm sorry man, loll, I'm not as active as I was and I hate that fact
Okay, sorry for filling this thread with a back and forth, I'm 100% done and won't continue on here.
Anyways, THE HOBBIT!!!!!
AAHHHH MY FEELS MAN, MAN FEELS!!!!! All the connections to LOTR made me want to tear, lmfao, especially the beginning. The ending was fantastic, I LOVE THORIN!
I'm on mobile so I'm just going to create a quick reaction:
Pros:
-Connections to LOTR -Acting (that was a given) -Battle scenes were great -Anything with the Orc -Score (thank you for the feels Shore!)
Cons:
-Humor, a little much with the dwarves that I felt could have been winded down and the goblin king. His look didn't bother me, but the general humor about it did a little -CGI was overused a bit, not gonna lie -Did not have the grand scope and feel LOTR did -3D is always a pain in the ass
Surprises:
-Runtime did not bother me, it felt a little slow but truthfully, it wasn't too bogged down -HFR was easy to adjust to. It wasn't perfect, my eyes weren't met very friendly, some twists and turns looked awkward to the eye because of it being so unused to this frame rate. So while occasionally there were movements my eyes caught as awkward, overall it was not a bad experience and my eyes adjusted to the most part, probably thanks to it being on a large screen. On a TV, it may feel completely different.
Overall - Not LOTR, but still a very excellent film. Did you love LOTR? Well you'll probably like or love this too.
Science, math, and engineering degrees that lead into jobs based off those degrees are factual better based on almost any and all stats. That's not a rip on art degrees, they're just facts. They factually bring a better return for the investment, it's not an opinion I'm giving. This is numbers based.
And you're putting words in my mouth, seriously, did I say art students are not hardworking? No, I didn't. Did I say they don't work hard? No, I didn't. I said STEM (science technology engineering math) tend to have harder work for a longer period. There's new technology updating by the minute. Today's engineers will be obsolete in 10 years, so they have to go knowing they'll have to keep studying and to keep working around the clock to stay up to par with the rapid moving society. Art isn't on some pedestal for bravest students, and I'm NOT saying STEM students are, so don't put words in my mouth. All I'm going on about is STEM degrees are right now better. I didn't say better for you, or for people who hate it, or for people with a passion for art, but they are factual better degrees right now that bring a better return for your investment in education. And, as much we need arts, we need our doctors, scientists, and engineers way more.
And based in what you can say that STEM have harder work for a longer period? What University experience do you have to say that? As an Art Student, I can perfectly affirm that the work load in our field is huge and much larger than people like you imagine. And this comparison is ridiculous anyway. Taking a course with less or more work load won't make you a better professional or better person.
Oh. You are the typical guy who thinks that Science is way more important than Art? Well, my friend. That just demonstrates that your knowledge in Science is not very large. Let's take Da Vinci, for example. The pure example of how art and science coexisted and both of them are important in same levels. Da Vinci studied the Human Body as no other person had before. And how he registered anatomy? Through Drawing, Concepts... ART. He also was responsible for building weapons, vehicles, flying machines... How he came up with those ideas? DESIGN, CONCEPTS, DRAWING... Art.
How are you going to build a machine, without a concept? How are you going to create without designing? How are you going to study the human body without visual representation? Oh. Guess what... Visual representation is also art. Writing is an Art.
Once again, I say that Art and Science coexist and this talk of "Science is way more important, valuable, we need it more" if fucking bullshit. And I'm really sorry for people who think that way.
I'm not talking about ACTUAL art, I'm talking about the degrees and future jobs. We need doctors more than filmmakers is my point, it's just a minor thing I'm saying that you're blowing out of proportions. I'm not denying arts' importance, I'm talking about simple degrees, I've been trying to make myself clear in tons of posts I'm JUST trying to say right now at this very moment STEM degrees > art degrees. That's it. I'm not saying science is 100% everything and we should dump art. I'm just talking about degrees, we don't have a argument against each other here, I'm just trying to say that fact was all I wanted to convey. I'm done with this topic now, there's no arguing to be had, I'm not disagreeing I'm stating a simple fact. I don't want to be rid of art, clearly by my love of films, music, books, etc I need it! So I'd appreciate if you don't make it sound like I'm out to kill art.
I'm sorry, but this whole thing of "we need doctors more than filmmakers" is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my entire life. I can't even continue arguing after a statement like that.
I'm sorry, but this whole thing of "we need doctors more than filmmakers" is one of the stupidest things I've ever heard in my entire life. I can't even continue arguing after a statement like that.
I don't even know why I'm explaining myself. I said it's like my point, just about the freaking degrees. If you can't let go of some grudge you seem to have right now then whatever, I'm not disagreeing with you so I don't know why you seem out to get everything I say right now.
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So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
I thought I didn't have to say that Art was one of the main reasons why humanity developed and advanced.
...but I do have to ask, what do you do for a living? At times it sounds like you are a pissed off Math Teacher or something...
Art had its uses. It no longer does when it has been crippled by the hands of capitalists
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Ry, why didn't you flag his post when he called me ignorant? Inconsistent cunt you are, yes.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
My long term goal is to teach high school while I earn a masters dewgree and then move on to community colleges. Those schools are unfairly maligned and I wouldn't be where I'm at now with them. I want to give back to the society that has allowed me to be semi-educated (can you ever be fully educated?) by becoming a public servant with the hopes of inspiring children.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Happy holidays motherfuckers!
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Also, Thanks for calling me a cunt. That is real lovely. You know for as bitter as you sound sometimes I really hope I never have you as an instructor. What good is it going to do the students if you berate and talk down to them all the time? Are you going to talk to them like you talk to students on here? If so...yeah good luck maintaining a job in the field. You sound like you have the right intentions going into the job it is just your personality that is going to cause tension from what I can read from you here.
Seriously, you said on another thread that you were having a bad day so what do you do? Be a complete jerk in this thread? I mean seriously, does making Ad Hominem comments make you feel good about yourself? It certainly doesnt me...Heck even posting that Tumblr picture of the "Nub Life" (Which I felt you would enjoy) made me cringe as I posted it just because I know it isnt the right thing to do but I felt it would get a kick out of you but nooooo, instead you just keep going and going and going...what is even the point?
Of course I did have that horrible thread about art vs. science, but that was a while back. People change. I realized that my hatred of art stemmed from the fact that these people are paid extreme amounts of money for their talents, something I'd never possess. Plus, all that negativity was killing me inside.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Also, insults aren't ad hominems. If I insulted you without any argument, ie attacking the messenger, then it would be one.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Anyway, my main point is that we should be humble about art and not degrade opinions. Henrick is of course right that it's arrogant to think you are an expert when you clearly have limited knowledge. I understand that he is frustrated at those looking down on art education. I greatly admire talented musicians, drawers and painters because I know how incredibly hard it is (trust me, I've tried rather unsuccessfully! Haven't we all in primary school?)
Likewise I find that some in academia seem to think they have climbed Mount Everest upon graduating when they really are only halfway to the top. The foundation is laid, but it's now the hard work begins. It's pretentious to look down on less educated people in the field as if their opinions are invaluable when we are dealing with an art form that all people embrace and appreciate to varying degrees. You are probably more knowledgable about film than most who haven't studied it, but while that may make you better at understanding and articulating what's good and bad cinema, I think we should respect all opinions. Movies are made for the public after all. How the audience responds to your movies is vital and valuable information for a filmmaker.
In sum, both sides should strive for humility.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
"Ryguy: The bastion of dumbfuckitis on HPF."
Anyways, I have better things to do than this garbage.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Back to the reviews:
Something Borrowed - 28%
I don't even know why I watch these romantic dramas... Women are persuasive I suppose. I hated this fucking movie. No explanation needed.
And then people complain that the forum is "slow". -.-
Still the best Bond movie I've seen. The poker scenes were not as long as I remembered them, which was the only objection I had against it. Now I have none. It is an extremely well-paced and balanced movie.
AWESOME !!!!!!!!!
Rise of the Guardians
8/10
Beautiful. A real treat for the kids. I know some of you are probably thinking it was 'cringeworthy' and 'cheesy' and the like. But if you expected any less from a film about Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, etc, you're kidding yourself. I won't go into too detailed an analysis for a film clearly intended for people who hold their childhood close to heart, but I have to say that it was better than I expected, and very touching. All the voice acting was superb, even if I thought Chris Pine's very adult voice coming from teenage-looking Jack was weird at first, he warmed up to me, if you'll pardon the pun.
Truly stunning visuals, lovely score, and beautiful story. I feel all happy inside.
88%
From the moment Bilbo says 'Rivendale' onward the movie was great fun. It's ties to LOTR were noticeable and greatly accepted. I actually loved it for what it is.
However...
I'm afraid this won't break out beyond the fans. The casual movie goer will be lucky to make it past the first act without being bored or confused...
Hadn't seen this movie before and it was so emotional! The end left me quite devastated. Great acting, the movie never felt too long, even with its 3 hour runtime. A true masterpiece.
9,5/10
I would never study something that I'm not good at, or that I don't feel passionate about it, just for the sake of being rich or successful. I could never accept that. I consider myself a very brave person that gave Filmmaking a shot -specially in a country where a film industry basically doesn't exist. Harder to find jobs? Yes. Harder to settle? Yes. But I feel so proud of my degree and I would never go back and change that.
There's too types of people: the ones who fall for the conformism and spend their lives doing what they don't like just for the sake of having a comfortable life, or the ones who go for the challenge and their dreams taking risks no matter what. I, personally, put myself in the second group.
And honestly? Nowadays, it is hard for any field to be succesful. Don't think that you'll leave University with thousands of dollars in your hands and in one of the best positions available.
I personally am a giant nerd, love the math and sciences and plan to major in biomedical engineering and go on to medschool. It's not for the money or job security, but I genuinely love these topics, so I don't want you to you think I'm doing this for money, I love math and science.
And doing that doesn't make you braver, I can make a similar argument: as a potential engineer going into premed, my work load will be maddening to many degrees with nights upon nights of no sleep, is that not brave? Or perhaps working 8+ years to get that job, so don't say it isn't as brave, because it is just as much.
But my point isn't for you to change, just to say they aren't the best degrees to get now. But that doesn't make them "braver" though like you say.
While interesting and culturally rich, the movie is painfully slow and visually uneven. The CGI is so bad some scenes look like pure videogame cutscenes. Not a bad movie, but also not great. It's just plain.
6/10
Oh my friend. So you are basically saying that the only degrees that make you study hard are Science, Math? For your statement, what I understood is that Art Students don't study. And that's totally absurd and ridiculous. I'm currently taking an Art post-grad course and for the past week, if I got more than 2 hours a day of sleep is a lot. And honestly? Studying is the minimum you should do, independently of what course you are taking in university. And there's nothing brave about studying. It's your obligation.
And yes. Art Students are brave. And probably the bravest. Everybody know how hard is to find a job in our field, how hard is to settle a career. Even though, we try and pursue our dreams even if we don't know what lies ahead in the future. And that, is courage.
And you're putting words in my mouth, seriously, did I say art students are not hardworking? No, I didn't. Did I say they don't work hard? No, I didn't. I said STEM (science technology engineering math) tend to have harder work for a longer period. There's new technology updating by the minute. Today's engineers will be obsolete in 10 years, so they have to go knowing they'll have to keep studying and to keep working around the clock to stay up to par with the rapid moving society. Art isn't on some pedestal for bravest students, and I'm NOT saying STEM students are, so don't put words in my mouth. All I'm going on about is STEM degrees are right now better. I didn't say better for you, or for people who hate it, or for people with a passion for art, but they are factual better degrees right now that bring a better return for your investment in education. And, as much we need arts, we need our doctors, scientists, and engineers way more.
I have never seen you answering even ONE of Nimra's (@Potter35's) Maths problems on Activity while I and Jordy were slogging our asses off.
LOL jk mate, relax. :P
Well just adding my two cents to the argument. As someone who LOVES Maths and engineering and sciences, and as someone who has obtained a bachelors and masters degree in Electrical Engineering and subsequently gone on to work on ethernet and network programming in a 92 billion dollar net worth American multinational company, I have to say that you can't treat Art as shit, pretentious and easy just because you are the nerdy / "techy" guy. They both essentially go hand in hand, and complement each other in ways that aren't even imaginable. I mean, the next time someone says Art learning is shit, he/she just needs to stop appreciating that favourite soundtrack of his or how he liked a photograph of a beautiful landscape in a travel magazine or the net. It is ingrained in the very crux of human history, progress and our day to day activities.
And the fools that bring out the stark differences between the two disciplines need to go check out a brief introduction about each of the great personalities who have achieved something in technical fields. Let's take Newton, shall we?
"Sir Isaac Newton PRS MP (25 December 1642 – 20 March 1727) was an English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, alchemist and theologian, who has been considered by many to be the greatest and most influential scientist who ever lived." - Wikipedia
See that emboldened text above? If they did not consider Arts and Sciences to be different, who the hell are we guys to do so? They are two sides of the same coin!! You can't appreciate Arts without understanding it's relevance to the world as a whole, and to Sciences in particular, and you can't appreciate Sciences without seeing the beauty that lies underneath - in short- Arts.
Trust me on this when I say that Art has really helped me to broaden my analytical perspectives, encouraged me to think out of the box and laterally and also hone and sharpen my creativity in a lot of my technical work, be it my final year major project in university or a particularly difficult network modelling algorithm I needed to write as part of my professional work. Science is not straight forward as it is made out to be, and once you are exposed to different art forms, you begin to appreciate how the fundamentals of the two disciplines are linked and manifest themselves. It's as simple as that.
I had this similar inferior attitude towards Arts when I was young. I remember we used to have an Art subject in my 3rd, 4th and 5th standard, and I used to positively hate when the time came to attend those classes. I used to crave that moment when the goddamned bell would ring so that I could hurry to my Maths textbook and start solving as many problems as I could. Thankfully, for me, I changed when I grew up lol.
As for the need to go and study in an Art university to understand and make a career in Arts, I would prefer not to say anything primarily because (as @Henrick says) it is very "convenient" to NOT be in a position/situation and still form 100% expert opinions about it. I am a bloody engineer by profession!! I don't know how Art universities work, so why force my half baked inconsistent opinion upon you all?
OK I would have typed more but unfortunately,
1) It's 5:42 am in the morning here and I haven't slept for 21 hours now.
2) You guys (Martin, Eight, Pumpkin, @DarthLedger, Rick etc) write FAR better posts than me anyways, so why write more?
3) I am over with my rant any which ways.
Good Night guys.
P.S.- Hope this doesn't start another round of heated discussions here.
P.P.S. - Sorry Aaron, Rich etc for digressing from the topic of this thread, but I just felt the need to tell what I think about this issue. Don't ban me please.
I'm off.
And I'm sorry man, loll, I'm not as active as I was and I hate that fact
Anyways, THE HOBBIT!!!!!
AAHHHH MY FEELS MAN, MAN FEELS!!!!! All the connections to LOTR made me want to tear, lmfao, especially the beginning. The ending was fantastic, I LOVE THORIN!
I'm on mobile so I'm just going to create a quick reaction:
Pros:
-Connections to LOTR
-Acting (that was a given)
-Battle scenes were great
-Anything with the Orc
-Score (thank you for the feels Shore!)
Cons:
-Humor, a little much with the dwarves that I felt could have been winded down and the goblin king. His look didn't bother me, but the general humor about it did a little
-CGI was overused a bit, not gonna lie
-Did not have the grand scope and feel LOTR did
-3D is always a pain in the ass
Surprises:
-Runtime did not bother me, it felt a little slow but truthfully, it wasn't too bogged down
-HFR was easy to adjust to. It wasn't perfect, my eyes weren't met very friendly, some twists and turns looked awkward to the eye because of it being so unused to this frame rate. So while occasionally there were movements my eyes caught as awkward, overall it was not a bad experience and my eyes adjusted to the most part, probably thanks to it being on a large screen. On a TV, it may feel completely different.
Overall - Not LOTR, but still a very excellent film. Did you love LOTR? Well you'll probably like or love this too.
Fuck critics
Oh. You are the typical guy who thinks that Science is way more important than Art? Well, my friend. That just demonstrates that your knowledge in Science is not very large. Let's take Da Vinci, for example. The pure example of how art and science coexisted and both of them are important in same levels. Da Vinci studied the Human Body as no other person had before. And how he registered anatomy? Through Drawing, Concepts... ART. He also was responsible for building weapons, vehicles, flying machines... How he came up with those ideas? DESIGN, CONCEPTS, DRAWING... Art.
How are you going to build a machine, without a concept? How are you going to create without designing? How are you going to study the human body without visual representation? Oh. Guess what... Visual representation is also art. Writing is an Art.
Once again, I say that Art and Science coexist and this talk of "Science is way more important, valuable, we need it more" if fucking bullshit. And I'm really sorry for people who think that way.