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  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    Why not? Batman forming a triumvirate with the DA and Commissioner of Gotham's police force to take down the Joker, an embodiment of evil who drives each of the three members to their personal limit in order to break them mentally, psychologically. However, Batman must also cope with the growing threat of the mob who took down his parents and are slowly driving the city to the brink of destruction from the inside out. The film is ultimately a battle for Gotham's soul as the tension escalates and Batman, Gordon and Dent battle over the right thing to do for Gotham versus the fair thing to do. In this, Joker drives one of them over the edge (Dent) to form a psychopathic murderer, proving that even the best of men can fall. Bruce Wayne struggles with his inner self as the Joker tries to push Batman to his limits, tries to prove that Batman is truly corruptible. Which he ultimately isn't, although he appears to be in the public, to truly save them and keep their souls untainted by Harvey's reputation. By acting like that, he's more than a hero.
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  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    Every Marvel film I've watched has had a pretty simple plot, nothing too special--both TDK and Batman Begins have pretty stunning stories and it all plays out very realistically. Avengers just looks like the superheroes we've seen in past Marvel films all team together to defeat an evil character.

    TDKR looks like a more complex, layered story with multiple character arcs and subplots--but not to the point where it's all convoluted.
    Seriously though, what is so special about TDK's plot? I just don't get why everyone humps that film like crazy.

    "oh the you see the joker is trying to turn batman into something hes not and when he knows thats not gonna work he does it to harvey and batman has to take cover cuz hes the hero gotham needs HES THE DARK KNIGHT SA;LDHFJSAKLDFH BUUUUUMMMMM"

    yeah no, doesn't work for me.
    but thats just it, the development was the relationship of Batman to the Joker, how they clashed and how they were facing off. Sure the movie is more focused on the Joker, but Batman Begins serves as the first entry in the series to show who Batman is, his story and what happened in his life to make him fight crime, as the story progresses and TDK comes along Batman and Bruce are already established characters, and the Joker is the new guy that audiences have to see how he works. Batman's been shown from all the angles in the previous installment, why not give the new guy some screen time especially the character's biggest foe in the books. As for Harvey and Two-Face, I am glad Two-Face didn't get much more screentime. It shows how Harvey went for the light, how he wanted to prosecute scum and Batman/Bruce nearly got to hang up the towel. The Joker is the catalyst for all the actions moving forward with the different characters and provides the push for the dominoes to fall for the characters to alter sides in a sense. lol
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Why not? Batman forming a triumvirate with the DA and Commissioner of Gotham's police force to take down the Joker, an embodiment of evil who drives each of the three members to their personal limit in order to break them mentally, psychologically. However, Batman must also cope with the growing threat of the mob who took down his parents and are slowly driving the city to the brink of destruction from the inside out. The film is ultimately a battle for Gotham's soul as the tension escalates and Batman, Gordon and Dent battle over the right thing to do for Gotham versus the fair thing to do. In this, Joker drives one of them over the edge (Dent) to form a psychopathic murderer, proving that even the best of men can fall. Bruce Wayne struggles with his inner self as the Joker tries to push Batman to his limits, tries to prove that Batman is truly corruptible. Which he ultimately isn't, although he appears to be in the public, to truly save them and keep their souls untainted by Harvey's reputation. By acting like that, he's more than a hero.
    Yeah I don't see that at all. The mob is just humor there, with the pencil trick and the burning money and the guy with the dogs, it's just comedy.

    We barely see any of Bruce Wayne. It's not about Bruce struggling with himself it's just about how the Joker toys with him. I don't see anything in Bruce I saw in Batman Begins that made him so likeable.

  • NumberEightNumberEight Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    Nolan gave us some of the best plots ever with BB and TDK, and this one is going to be similar. The realistic, political undertones are going to be downright stunning and the film is going to be spectacular.
    Just like the awesome chaos vs. order themes and the reference to the Patriot Act, right? I mean, "This is too much power for one person" is certainly a stunning undertone and not indicative of an obvious agenda. The ethical dilemma in BB and TDK about not killing the villains for the better of Gotham is stellar in its complexity.
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  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    If you didn't like it, you didn't like it. No need to be rude and I doubt you'll find better themes in a Marvel film.
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I had more fun and would rather watch any of the marvel films than TDK. More enjoyable characters.
  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    Really? I see more depth in Gordon, Joker, and even Bruce Wayne/Batman than Tony Stark, who stayed an insufferable douche throughout Iron Mans 1 and 2 without any development and the stone-cold bravado of Thor.
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  • AshAsh Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some ppl like to be entertained bud =D
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  • NumberEightNumberEight Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If you didn't like it, you didn't like it. No need to be rude and I doubt you'll find better themes in a Marvel film.
    Well, I have never seen comic book movies with decent themes. Sorry for being rude.
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  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    If you didn't like it, you didn't like it. No need to be rude and I doubt you'll find better themes in a Marvel film.
    Well, I have never seen comic book movies with decent themes. Sorry for being rude.
    Your opinion is your opinion, I suppose, but the point I was trying to make was that Nolan's trilogy has encompassed a much wider array of themes and much more development and drama on screen than a Marvel movie.
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The problem is that Bruce Wayne was non-existent. BB on the other hand was brilliant. TDK wasn't about the hero, it was about the villain and his scheme. Joker is a fine villain, but there's no complexity to him at all, althought they tried to make it, but I just didn't see it.
  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    Well he wasn't supposed to be complex in his morals or ideology--he is the embodiment of evil, of chaos. There could never be another side to him, or it would permanently render his character obsolete. The fact that he is pure evil makes him Batman's ultimate enemy (until--hopefully--Nolan proves that Batman's ultimate physical villain is Bane).

    What makes him so fascinating is how he goes about life, how he interacts with others around him--he's referred to as a "dog" by himself, and all the connections are easily there. Just the way he carries everything out, always one step ahead of the curve--the main moral compass dilemmas and character complexity are supposed to take place within the main triumvirate, and they do. Joker is just the catalyst for the events that take place over the course of the film, he's the solid wall of evil, the reason that Batman, Dent and Gordon are forced to push themselves to extremes.
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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    I dont see how someone doesnt appreciate the genious of tdk.

    Like... it boggles my mind lol.

    Its an original story and Nolan made those characters his. He twisted them around and it is geniously played throughout. Its excellent filmmaking. I think perhaps you dont like all the hype around it, idk lol.


  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2012
    press releases are my shtick dont steal my thunder
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    Oh god. I failed so bad at the American accent.
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No Richard, the hype has nothing to do with it. I don't see any genius in it at all.

    And the Jokers plans get much too unrealistic at times when Nolan is trying to create a realistic world. I mean I laugh every time the boat scene shows up, loll, it's just so incredibly unrealistic that it annoys me.
  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The whole idea is unrealistic but Nolan made it serious as opposed to "realistic". He made it cool. You're gonna be part of the outcast crowd if you're not in line to watch TDKR.
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Im sure hell see TDKR.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I never said I disliked TDK guys, loll, I just don't think its a genius film. And I'll be there at midnight for TKDR. I love BB because of its character, which I'm hoping TDKR will have.
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    So which will make more money worldwide: TDKR or Avengers?
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TDKR almost for sure. It probably isn't much of a competition.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So far only 1 negative review who compares it to transformers 3, so I know not to take them seriously :p
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Well IM2 is the highest grossing. Iron Man 2 ($623,933,331) and it wasnt in 3D and had BAD reviews whereas this is 3D and has good reviews and the marketing is good. Better. So id say a good 800-900 worldwide,

  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Still won't beat TDKR since that's the finale. Depends if worldwide taste is bigger for a group of superheroes than just 1. Domestic TDKR should win, but worldwide is up for grabs I think.
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    I really hope TDKR gets more but im not sure.
  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    that was awesome!!!!!!!!! =D>
  • JoshieJoshie Posts: 4,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @Kranen no you did great! That was pretty awesome. Personally I liked your part most of all.
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    @Kranen hahaha that was great! good job :)
  • CarneCarne Posts: 1,928 ✭✭✭
    edited April 2012
    Kranen, is it easy for you to do a British accent (like London accent or something), as it's closer to the Australian accent?
  • yonythemoonyyonythemoony Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If anybody wants Silvestrit's score, PM me. Though it's the digital release with 64 minutes of music, not the Intrada release with 76 minutes.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The score is pretty decent.
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    Hahahahaha. That's amazing, Tyler! You and your co-workers might have a lot of fun at work! :D
  • PotterFan_649PotterFan_649 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭
    I JUST WON TICKETS FOR AN ADVANCE SCREENING IN MY CITY!!!!!!!!!!! IM SOOO HAPPY!!!!
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  • JoshieJoshie Posts: 4,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    YES! I love my theater! I just got a text that I am allowed to see the Avengers early on Wednesday! :D
  • JoshieJoshie Posts: 4,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    My theater gets certain movies early, so my boss is so awesome he lets us go see an early screening :D
  • PotterFan_649PotterFan_649 Posts: 794 ✭✭✭
    lucky.... im seeing it next wednesday... ill only have 2 questions for you after you see it.
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  • IsaiahIsaiah Posts: 3,342 mod
    Midnight showing for MEEEE!!!
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  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    no showing for me. coldplay has a show that night.
  • yonythemoonyyonythemoony Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There was a contest for the premiere today but I didn't participated because I just arrived from a Long trip from the coast.
  • KranenKranen Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Kranen, is it easy for you to do a British accent (like London accent or something), as it's closer to the Australian accent?
    I suck at all accents. Only thing I can say with a British accent is 'Bloody Hell'.

    And only thing I can properly say with an American accent is 'You need to stop!' because my English teacher is American and says that every bloody lesson so I've become quite good at imitating her.
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  • KranenKranen Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hahahahaha. That's amazing, Tyler! You and your co-workers might have a lot of fun at work! :D
    Haha. I wish they were my co-workers. I don't work there... yet :(
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't understand. Wouldn't they need to hire a sexy woman to play a sexy scientist?

    I am all kinds of confused here.
  • KranenKranen Posts: 4,770 ✭✭✭✭✭
    7 hours til I see the movie =D>
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  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    :)>- have fun kranen!!!!!!!!!!!
  • nick_hansennick_hansen Posts: 2,305 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Have fun Tyler! Going to see it Friday night, very positive reviews so I'm excited for it.
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  • HPFan4everHPFan4ever Posts: 422 ✭✭✭
    im seeing it tomorrow with my little brothers :D, and its a public holiday over here tomorrow, great timing :)
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