i don,t think a new director would drastically alter the look of the capitol. Then it really would be obviously disjointed and definitely would not look like it even belonged in the same triology.
We got like what, a few fleeting glimpses of the Capitol? Yeah, I maintain, it's going to be hard to "mess up" any consistency here, considering how little of it there was in the first film.
Cuaron for CF would please me...and thats not because im a huge POA fan, which i am. Im just a fan of Alfonso, specifically his work on Children of Men
I just think it's kind of shitty that I can't talk about the movie because I didn't like it. The announcement of a new director makes me somewhat more hopeful for the next movie.
We got like what, a few fleeting glimpses of the Capitol? Yeah, I maintain, it's going to be hard to "mess up" any consistency here, considering how little of it there was in the first film.
Of the entire view of everything, yes. But I think people were referring to the actual known buildings, like training building, justice building, etc.
even if the acting and the direction wasnt top notch...the movie would be easier to watch in a positive way because im sure cuaron wouldve kept his vision for hogwarts, which i love.
even if the acting and the direction wasnt top notch...the movie would be easier to watch in a positive way because im sure cuaron wouldve kept his vision for hogwarts, which i love.
Of the entire view of everything, yes. But I think people were referring to the actual known buildings, like training building, justice building, etc.
Right but we saw so very little of it that I'm not sure how much it would actually matter in the grand scheme of things.
I do see you point. But, in Catching Fire we see a lot more of certain things, including District 12 and some Capitol things. So, I think the director should, of course, make a new vision for the things not seen in the first, but not making it so drastically different than everything else there.
Cuaron would have did a better job (IMO) but Newell did great I felt with the overall story and the action sequences. He also knocked the graveyard sequence and Cedric's death (particularly the aftermath) out of the fuckin' park.
Loll who cares? What was on Ross' resume, Seabiacuit? Loll, THG was very good but it wasn't godly, lots of directors could have done similar or better. Let's calm our ball and wait for the movie, last time an unknown director was attached to a big movie he ended up finishing the series on the biggest note ever, loll. Yeah, David Yates bitches. Now whoever the hell they do hire, wait and see. Sheesh, it's not like they lost a Speilbeirg in his prime or something, loll.
Cuaron would have did a better job (IMO) but Newell did great I felt with the overall story and the action sequences. He also knocked the graveyard sequence and Cedric's death (particularly the aftermath) out of the fuckin' park.
Thats deffinitely what i will agree with you on Brandon, the last act of Goblet of Fire pretty much makes up for alot of lackluster direction IMO beforehand.
Cuaron would have did a better job (IMO) but Newell did great I felt with the overall story and the action sequences. He also knocked the graveyard sequence and Cedric's death (particularly the aftermath) out of the fuckin' park.
I just think it's kind of shitty that I can't talk about the movie because I didn't like it. The announcement of a new director makes me somewhat more hopeful for the next movie.
If you didn't like THG's story, I really doubt you'll enjoy CF.
He definitely didn't pull out of the job for something little, he seemed quite excited for Catching Fire and making the decision not to direct it must have been hard so there must have been something big offered in my opinion.
Loll who cares? What was on Ross' resume, Seabiacuit? Loll, THG was very good but it wasn't godly, lots of directors could have done similar or better. Let's calm our ball and wait for the movie, last time an unknown director was attached to a big movie he ended up finishing the series on the biggest note ever, loll. Yeah, David Yates bitches. Now whoever the hell they do hire, wait and see. Sheesh, it's not like they lost a Speilbeirg in his prime or something, loll.
I'm almost at the point of becoming a betting man, as in with real American dollars, that Ross exiting the franchise is a good thing. Even if you liked his take, considering the amount of cash this fucker made, I guarantee that they rope in a much better director.
If Catching Fire isn't better than the first one -- by my standards -- I will eat a $10 and post it on Youtube.
Thats deffinitely what i will agree with you on Brandon, the last act of Goblet of Fire pretty much makes up for alot of lackluster direction IMO beforehand.
Really there are only a few moments in Goblet's entire running duration that I'm not a super huge fan of. I don't get the problems people have in general with the movie overall.
I think alot of people are grateful for Gary because the film could have easily been a disaster. He definitely had a sufficient understanding of the series , and i think he had alot of good ideas aswell, one that comes to mind being the scene with Seneca at the end. But to be honest, lke Marty said, alot of directors couldve done a great job aswell....lets just wait and see!
I think alot of people are grateful for Gary because the film could have easily been a disaster. He definitely had a sufficient understanding of the series , and i think he had alot of good ideas aswell, one that comes to mind being the scene with Seneca at the end. But to be honest, lke Marty said, alot of directors couldve done a great job aswell....lets just wait and see!
Thats deffinitely what i will agree with you on Brandon, the last act of Goblet of Fire pretty much makes up for alot of lackluster direction IMO beforehand.
Really there are only a few moments in Goblet's entire running duration that I'm not a super huge fan of. I don't get the problems people have in general with the movie overall.
i stil find it a great watch, as i do with all of the HP movies, its just lacking something to me until the Third task. But its stil entertaining to me
You guys also forget there is a competent screenwriter penning Catching Fire! While it'll be the directors movie, ask anyone here about Kloves vs goldenberg, loll, and you'll know that the screenwriter can definitely make a difference.
I think alot of people are grateful for Gary because the film could have easily been a disaster. He definitely had a sufficient understanding of the series , and i think he had alot of good ideas aswell, one that comes to mind being the scene with Seneca at the end. But to be honest, lke Marty said, alot of directors couldve done a great job aswell....lets just wait and see!
The understanding is undeniably there. It's the technical aspects and overall vision that I had a problem with. Like I said the movie has no visual identity or trademarks. Almost every scene is shot a bit differently, framed a bit differently from the last, and I don't mean in terms of variety -- I mean that it felt like the director had no clear visual scheme for the entire movie. It was all over the place. There was no harmony to the camerawork, no style to the framing which brought this wholesale mediocrity to the entire picture.
Also a lot of the effects looked really bad. When someone would die and their ID would pop up, it was always generic looking and framed badly. Same thing for the chariot scene when they're on fire, it was unintentionally hilarious. Too many boring and uninspired decisions were made during production and it shines through in the final product. I wanted to like it, I even tried forcing myself into liking it because of all the hype and promises, but I cannot ignore, forgive, or make excuses for mediocrity. A competent director with a good vision could have did something here.
Otherwise I felt a lot of things went with poor explanation and there were a lot of incredibly forced and generally illogical character actions. Based on what the film told me at least, for instance, I have an incredibly hard time believing that out of the what, 24 kids that they randomly plucked out of the districts, that they happened to pick a dozen or so masochistic assholes who have no problems whatsoever with killing children in cold blood? Yeah fucking right. When that random guy impaled Rue with a spear, my eyes almost rolled into the back of my head. Yeah, they were probably scared or whatever, but without the proper characterization, explanation, or backstory, I did not buy this young teenage guy being able to legitimately throw a fucking spear at this incredibly young girl who looked no older than 10.
I had a lot of problems with the story in this regard. It was just incredibly laughable and unjust.
Otherwise I felt a lot of things went with poor explanation and there were a lot of incredibly forced and generally illogical character actions. Based on what the film told me at least, for instance, I have an incredibly hard time believing that out of the what, 24 kids that they randomly plucked out of the districts, that they happened to pick a dozen or so masochistic assholes who have no problems whatsoever with killing children in cold blood? Yeah fucking right. When that random guy impaled Rue with a spear, my eyes almost rolled into the back of my head. Yeah, they were probably scared or whatever, but without the proper characterization, explanation, or backstory, I did not buy this young teenage guy being able to legitimately throw a fucking spear at this incredibly young girl who looked no older than 10.
I had a lot of problems with the story in this regard. It was just incredibly laughable and unjust.
Thats Marvel from district one lol. hes a career, he is trained from birth to kill.
Also, Cato was like a Japanese anime villain. Paper thin, had a hilariously menacing grin on his face the entire time, and even had a shitty, over the top villain speech at the end.
Thats Marvel from district one lol. hes a career, he is trained from birth to kill.
The movie failed to inform me of this, and even still, I find it hard to believe that they just randomly picked these young kids who just have no problems with killing people -- and not just that -- but enjoying it. It would have been so much better if a lot of the characters tried to talk to one another and figure something out, or had some sense of logic and intelligence -- but most of them were these fucking retarded gorehounds for no other reason than for the story to have people to kill other people.
Also, Cato's little posse was just the end of the line. So, only one victor -- and yet they're teaming up with each other? Okay, what's going to happen when their posse is all that's left? How would they go about finishing each other off?
Again, so much of the plot was borderline ridiculous as-is in the screenplay. Perhaps its better explained in the book, I have no idea, but this was not the case in the film whatsoever.
Thats Marvel from district one lol. hes a career, he is trained from birth to kill.
The movie failed to inform me of this, and even still, I find it hard to believe that they just randomly picked these young kids who just have no problems with killing people -- and not just that -- but enjoying it. It would have been so much better if a lot of the characters tried to talk to one another and figure something out, or had some sense of logic and intelligence -- but most of them were these fucking retarded gorehounds for no other reason than for the story to have people to kill other people.
The movie explains that district one and 2 are careerse and trained to kill from birth...
Maybe so, but at that moment in the film I had no idea what district that guy was from because there was no characterization. He was just some random character.
Or maybe you could take what I'm saying and try to enlighten me since the movie failed to? At any rate I'm not sure what good it would actually do since it was technically lacking as well; even if the story and characters were good it wouldn't improve the actual filmmaking.
Thats Marvel from district one lol. hes a career, he is trained from birth to kill.
The movie failed to inform me of this, and even still, I find it hard to believe that they just randomly picked these young kids who just have no problems with killing people -- and not just that -- but enjoying it. It would have been so much better if a lot of the characters tried to talk to one another and figure something out, or had some sense of logic and intelligence -- but most of them were these fucking retarded gorehounds for no other reason than for the story to have people to kill other people.
Haymitch explains about the careers after the chariot scene.
They are trained from birth and volunteer for the games (even if they aren't picked) ... So it's logical that they would have a sort of bloodlust about them.
They are trained from birth and volunteer for the games (even if they aren't picked) ... So it's logical that they would have a sort of bloodlust about them.
Still find it hard to believe that they would deliberately toss a spear at an unarmed 9-11 year old girl.
Thats Marvel from district one lol. hes a career, he is trained from birth to kill.
The movie failed to inform me of this, and even still, I find it hard to believe that they just randomly picked these young kids who just have no problems with killing people -- and not just that -- but enjoying it. It would have been so much better if a lot of the characters tried to talk to one another and figure something out, or had some sense of logic and intelligence -- but most of them were these fucking retarded gorehounds for no other reason than for the story to have people to kill other people.
That whole, "shitty, over the top villain speech at the end," explained it well. And I'm pretty sure they explained how the Career districts always have volunteers, so they aren't "random."
It's like suicide bombers (well, almost) Its what they were born and raised to think that it's all okay. Think about it, their ability to judge right from wrong has really been limited.
It's like suicide bombers (well, almost) Its what they were born and raised to think that it's all okay. Think about it, their ability to judge right from wrong has really been limited.
I would have just liked to have seen more about this. More development. Maybe I would need to read the books to "get it" better, but as an "outsider" a lot of it was very hard for me to swallow.
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If alfonso was directing it, My ass would be in the seat 5 months early.
Think about all the great directors out there, who could be interested!
Think of how GREAT a REALLY GOOD director can make Catching Fire!
We have an ENTIRE New Vision to look forward to!
We have even more to look forward to if Ross wasn't directing!
hint! Discuss the bright side!Mysterious thing time.
LOL
Mysterious thing time.
Mysterious thing time.
If Catching Fire isn't better than the first one -- by my standards -- I will eat a $10 and post it on Youtube.
Also a lot of the effects looked really bad. When someone would die and their ID would pop up, it was always generic looking and framed badly. Same thing for the chariot scene when they're on fire, it was unintentionally hilarious. Too many boring and uninspired decisions were made during production and it shines through in the final product. I wanted to like it, I even tried forcing myself into liking it because of all the hype and promises, but I cannot ignore, forgive, or make excuses for mediocrity. A competent director with a good vision could have did something here.
I had a lot of problems with the story in this regard. It was just incredibly laughable and unjust.
Again, so much of the plot was borderline ridiculous as-is in the screenplay. Perhaps its better explained in the book, I have no idea, but this was not the case in the film whatsoever.
Mysterious thing time.
They are trained from birth and volunteer for the games (even if they aren't picked) ... So it's logical that they would have a sort of bloodlust about them.
Im sure most of us would kill lol.
Yeah...
I wouldn't throw a fucking spear at a little girl. It was too hard for me to buy, sorry.