I knew it!

yonythemoony · February 2012

http://www.snitchseeker.com/harry-potter-news/harry-potter-vfx-head-talks-changing-voldemorts-death-in-deathly-hallows-part-2-a-88452/

Tim Burke: We were designing end shots for the death of Voldemort a couple months before we delivered the film. There were certain areas of the film unresolved and because of the virtual environments, [David Yates] realized we could recreate shots quickly.

The key thing that changed was the death of Voldemort. That happened after we had locked cuts. We had done some screenings and realized we needed a more epic ending. So we redesigned the sequence and thankfully with the digital assets we could recreate the environment.

We projected some elements of Ralph Fiennes onto geometry of him and added those to the shots, and for a couple shots had to use a full CG Voldemort. It happened way past the 11th hour. The shoot had finished 12 months earlier, so it was long past the point of pick-up shots. We had to take materials from other shots and recreate him.

I knew that Voldemort died like in the book and they changed it all of sudden.

Martin1 · February 2012

Yeah we all knew that from a few pictures with Harry looking over the body.

So it's exactly what I thought. The body just hitting the ground for the end must have been too jarring and quick, so they decided a slow fading away to Lilys theme would work better.

I'm not complaining

Aratron · February 2012

I didn't know...then again for me I don't think it matters as I don't want to see the movie

Martin1 · February 2012

I didn't know...then again for me I don't think it matters as I don't want to see the movie

....waitwut

Aratron · February 2012

I didn't know...then again for me I don't think it matters as I don't want to see the movie
....waitwut

You didn't know? I thought everyone here knew I haven't seen DH2 and still don't want to.

Carne · February 2012

Uh...

decarus · February 2012

I think they changed to the flaking death because of the 3D. I would have rather the body hitting the ground. When i saw it people weren't sure that Voldemort was actually dead. I think dead body on the ground would have been the better way to go and people might have cheered that.

Martin1 · February 2012

I didn't know...then again for me I don't think it matters as I don't want to see the movie
....waitwut
You didn't know? I thought everyone here knew I haven't seen DH2 and still don't want to.

...

Darth Ledger · February 2012

No had there been just a dead body everyone would have been like "wait for it.... wait for it.... I know he's about to get back up!!!"

Martin1 · February 2012

I think they changed to the flaking death because of the 3D. I would have rather the body hitting the ground. When i saw it people weren't sure that Voldemort was actually dead. I think dead body on the ground would have been the better way to go and people might have cheered that.

But it's probably would have been jarring and quick. In the book it works, because you're reading it, but in a movie if all that time with him slowly flaking away is gone and he just hits the floor...yeah not so good. It's probably what they saw.

And by "people cheer" do you mean regular people cheering the movie or students cheering that he is dead? Because either way if there was any cheering whatsoever I would've tossed shit at the screen/

Darth Ledger · February 2012

Aratron buddy I know life is crazy but DH2 is simply the best movie of all time. You must watch it.

Martin1 · February 2012

Yeah if you have seen all the others how are you not interested in seeing this one?!

decarus · February 2012

I think jarring and quick would have been the way to go. They could have still did the slow motion during the spell connection and then a jarring quick body hits the ground. And i have always liked the shot of Harry walking away with the body in the background.

Oh and Aratron not seeing it is the way to go so stay strong.

yonythemoony · February 2012

Also, this is why the last minute of Voldemort's End is trimmed in the movie. Because it was the music for Voldemort's original death scene (Desplat worked on the score in april and may, and the changed Voldemort's death was made in may) and they used it for the alternate Voldemort's death.

Martin1 · February 2012

I think jarring and quick would have been the way to go. They could have still did the slow motion during the spell connection and then a jarring quick body hits the ground. And i have always liked the shot of Harry walking away with the body in the background.

Oh and Aratron not seeing it is the way to go so stay strong.

Loll is the way to go, stay strong? That's dumb

But it's so anticlimatic and thrown in your face. A death like that can't be a like Cedric and just drop. Everyone will go: "oh...thats it he's dead." The slow death allows everyone to embrace it, accept it, and watch it.

XDMorsmordreXD · February 2012

Voldemort's death is the book was symbolic: at the end, he was just a man.
'And Harry, with the unerring skill of the Seeker, caught the wand in his free hand as Voldemort fell backward, arms splayed, the slit pupils of the scarlet eyes rolling upward. Tom Riddle hit the floor with a mundane finality, his body feeble and shrunken, the white hands empty, the snakelike face vacant and unknowing.'
If David Yates was 'a genius' he could've made JKR's ending beautiful, symbolic and cinematic.

Martin1 · February 2012

Voldemort's death is the book was symbolic: at the end, he was just a man.
'And Harry, with the unerring skill of the Seeker, caught the wand in his free hand as Voldemort fell backward, arms splayed, the slit pupils of the scarlet eyes rolling upward. Tom Riddle hit the floor with a mundane finality, his body feeble and shrunken, the white hands empty, the snakelike face vacant and unknowing.'
If David Yates was 'a genius' he could've made JKR's ending beautiful, symbolic and cinematic.

Well one, that Yates genius meme was obviously kidding.

And how was it not cinematic? The final battle was as cinematic as you could POSSIBLY make that battle! The books battle was as un-cinematic as you could get, loll, but that's fine because it's a book.

Harry could the wand the same, only this had some epic music and great cinematography to go with it. And how about the fact that the film hints at Voldemort's decaying body the entire film? He inspects his flaking arms TWICE, when the diadem is destroyed and then in the boathouse. It builds up with hints and foreshadowing, so that's cinematic.

And so what if it wasn't the same symbolically? We could use another type of symbolism, a devil-like, unhuman kind. He twisted himself so much with dark magic, went beyond the realm of the normal human that he no longer was one, so he did not die like one.

XDMorsmordreXD · February 2012

I didn't day the battle wasn't cinematic. I'll defend the book's version of the scene however. I thought it was beautiful and could've been transferred to the screen beautifully as well.

Martin1 · February 2012

I didn't day the battle wasn't cinematic. I'll defend the book's version of the scene however. I thought it was beautiful and could've been transferred to the screen beautifully as well.

It could have, but is there any real complaint to the ending OTHER than it doesn't have so and so from the book?

XDMorsmordreXD · February 2012

I didn't day the battle wasn't cinematic. I'll defend the book's version of the scene however. I thought it was beautiful and could've been transferred to the screen beautifully as well.
It could have, but is there any real complaint to the ending OTHER than it doesn't have so and so from the book?

I thought it was done purely for the purposes of 3D. I still loved the film very much, but I wasn't too crazy about his death.

Martin1 · February 2012

I didn't day the battle wasn't cinematic. I'll defend the book's version of the scene however. I thought it was beautiful and could've been transferred to the screen beautifully as well.
It could have, but is there any real complaint to the ending OTHER than it doesn't have so and so from the book?
I thought it was done purely for the purposes of 3D. I still loved the film very much, but I wasn't too crazy about his death.

I really don't see why that simple shot is done PURELY for 3D. I doubt they're sitting around spitballing ideas to say: "okay, what works best for 3D?" I mean there are legitimate reasons behind them, the fact that it might be very jarring for Voldemort to just die and fall immediately. They tried it, as we all know now, and probably saw something that didn't work.

Could it have been for 3D? Maybe, but c'mon, there are other scenes of Voldemort looking at himself peeling! In the dark forest you can see his neck (other than the rolls) is just giving way and peeling apart! They hint at it a lot, so even if it was for 3D (again, HIGHLY doubt it) then they did a great job playing up to it. Plus Lily's theme with Voldemort floating away in front of a demolished Hogwarts with the sunrise? That shot is beauty at it's finest my friend.

yonythemoony · February 2012

And so what if it wasn't the same symbolically? We could use another type of symbolism, a devil-like, unhuman kind. He twisted himself so much with dark magic, went beyond the realm of the normal human that he no longer was one, so he did not die like one.

That's why I preferred how he died in the movie. I felt that his death on the book wasn't how it should have been for someone as powerful and physically corrupted.

XDMorsmordreXD · February 2012

And so what if it wasn't the same symbolically? We could use another type of symbolism, a devil-like, unhuman kind. He twisted himself so much with dark magic, went beyond the realm of the normal human that he no longer was one, so he did not die like one.
That's why I preferred how he died in the movie. I felt that his death on the book wasn't how it should have been for someone as powerful and physically corrupted.

The point is he was just a man. The symbolism behind him simply dying is that he was always just a mundane, feeble body. In the end, we just was a corrupted man. I'm not shocked you like the movie more though.

Martin1 · February 2012

And so what if it wasn't the same symbolically? We could use another type of symbolism, a devil-like, unhuman kind. He twisted himself so much with dark magic, went beyond the realm of the normal human that he no longer was one, so he did not die like one.
That's why I preferred how he died in the movie. I felt that his death on the book wasn't how it should have been for someone as powerful and physically corrupted.
The point is he was just a man. The symbolism behind him simply dying is that he was always just a mundane, feeble body. In the end, we just was a corrupted man. I'm not shocked you like the movie more though.

They're two different types and they both work. It's not really shocking, I like them both and they both make equal sense, but I see exactly where he's coming from. From everything Rowling gave us in HBP and earlier in DH, it made Voldemort seem like a twisted 1/8th of a soul monster non human. For him to die like a human could by symbolic one way but slightly misleading the other.

XDMorsmordreXD · February 2012

And so what if it wasn't the same symbolically? We could use another type of symbolism, a devil-like, unhuman kind. He twisted himself so much with dark magic, went beyond the realm of the normal human that he no longer was one, so he did not die like one.
That's why I preferred how he died in the movie. I felt that his death on the book wasn't how it should have been for someone as powerful and physically corrupted.
The point is he was just a man. The symbolism behind him simply dying is that he was always just a mundane, feeble body. In the end, we just was a corrupted man. I'm not shocked you like the movie more though.
They're two different types and they both work. It's not really shocking, I like them both and they both make equal sense, but I see exactly where he's coming from. From everything Rowling gave us in HBP and earlier in DH, it made Voldemort seem like a twisted 1/8th of a soul monster non human. For him to die like a human could by symbolic one way but slightly misleading the other.

Ah, so you see my point. I see yours too.

Martin1 · February 2012

And so what if it wasn't the same symbolically? We could use another type of symbolism, a devil-like, unhuman kind. He twisted himself so much with dark magic, went beyond the realm of the normal human that he no longer was one, so he did not die like one.
That's why I preferred how he died in the movie. I felt that his death on the book wasn't how it should have been for someone as powerful and physically corrupted.
The point is he was just a man. The symbolism behind him simply dying is that he was always just a mundane, feeble body. In the end, we just was a corrupted man. I'm not shocked you like the movie more though.
They're two different types and they both work. It's not really shocking, I like them both and they both make equal sense, but I see exactly where he's coming from. From everything Rowling gave us in HBP and earlier in DH, it made Voldemort seem like a twisted 1/8th of a soul monster non human. For him to die like a human could by symbolic one way but slightly misleading the other.
Ah, so you see my point. I see yours too.

Yeah it's all a matter of perception, which is basically an opinion. Some think he's human so he should die, others think he's twisted to die normally, both are fine and have backing to them, it's just what you'd prefer. Either way they both make sense, and I think the human death works perfect in the book. I can't think how the floating ashes would work in the book, can you? And vice versa, I can't see the body falling working because it's jarring, but this slow death works a lot better cinematically. Dumbledore falling in slow motion is fantastic. Now, if he were to fall normal speed.....lolll, rather humorous

XDMorsmordreXD · February 2012

Depends how it was directed:

Martin1 · February 2012

Depends how it was directed:

Ah yes, didn't think about this, but there's significant difference.

1. It's an antagonist, so seeing them die painfully like that is a lot more okay than seeing Dumbledore die like that

2. That was the opening of the film and didn't need to be as dramatic or sad.

Here's a better example to compare to Dumbledore's death:

Notice it's both the ending and in slow-mo. Exactly like Dumbledores

XDMorsmordreXD · February 2012

Depends how it was directed:
Ah yes, didn't think about this, but there's significant difference.

1. It's an antagonist, so seeing them die painfully like that is a lot more okay than seeing Dumbledore die like that

2. That was the opening of the film and didn't need to be as dramatic or sad.

Here's a better example to compare to Dumbledore's death:

Notice it's both the ending and in slow-mo. Exactly like Dumbledores

Ah yes, didn't think about this either, haha.

Lord Stafford · February 2012

No had there been just a dead body everyone would have been like "wait for it.... wait for it.... I know he's about to get back up!!!"

Aratron buddy I know life is crazy but DH2 is simply the best movie of all time. You must watch it.

Wrong.

Lord Stafford.

Richard · February 2012

Him saying that DH2 is the best movie of all time is his opinion, so he is not "wrong".

Darth Ledger · February 2012

Him saying that DH2 is the best movie of all time is his opinion, so he is not "wrong".

^This

And as for the first thing I'm absolutely right, at least for southern American audiences. Everybody would have been thinking "He's not really dead is he?"

Considering a lot of people thought Harry was Snapes illegitimate child after the movie it should be obvious how they would react to a simple dead body

Darth Ledger · February 2012

What is your best movie of all time Stafford?

Aratron · February 2012

Makes me wonder if these movie goers that would think Voldemort's not dead play too many video games.

) Cause after all, once the boss is down, the boss somehow comes back in it's TRUE form.

)

RyGuy · February 2012

No had there been just a dead body everyone would have been like "wait for it.... wait for it.... I know he's about to get back up!!!"

Aratron buddy I know life is crazy but DH2 is simply the best movie of all time. You must watch it.
Wrong.

Lord Stafford.

XDMorsmordreXD · February 2012

No had there been just a dead body everyone would have been like "wait for it.... wait for it.... I know he's about to get back up!!!"

Aratron buddy I know life is crazy but DH2 is simply the best movie of all time. You must watch it.
Wrong.

Lord Stafford.

)
*Saves To Computer*

Lord Stafford · February 2012

Him saying that DH2 is the best movie of all time is his opinion, so he is not "wrong".
^This

And as for the first thing I'm absolutely right, at least for southern American audiences. Everybody would have been thinking "He's not really dead is he?"

Considering a lot of people thought Harry was Snapes illegitimate child after the movie it should be obvious how they would react to a simple dead body

That makes it alright, then, does it? Because everyone will surely think that he'll just get back up.

Lord Stafford.

Lord Stafford · February 2012

What is your best movie of all time Stafford?

I don't have one. And even if i did, it would change constantly. That's how i am. The reason why i said 'wrong' was because you stated it as matter of fact. You probably didn't intend for it to come out that way, but it did.

Lord Stafford.

Lord Stafford · February 2012

No had there been just a dead body everyone would have been like "wait for it.... wait for it.... I know he's about to get back up!!!"

Aratron buddy I know life is crazy but DH2 is simply the best movie of all time. You must watch it.
Wrong.

Lord Stafford.

Lord Stafford.

phoenix1 · February 2012

It's too bad that they couldn't have had the best of both worlds...show Harry looking down at Voldy's body then have it start to disintegrate like the ending we actually got. There would be no questions then.

yonythemoony · February 2012

I agree. Same thing with extending the ending, Harry and Voldemort having their struggle, the battle in the Great Hall, Ron and Hermione trying to kill Bellatrix, they could had Harry and Voldemort flying, Neville killing Nagini, and Voldemort suffering and he and Harry falling in the Great Hall. Then, Harry talks about the Elder Wand, the final duel and that's it.

aaron · February 2012

What is your best movie of all time Stafford?
I don't have one. And even if i did, it would change constantly. That's how i am. The reason why i said 'wrong' was because you stated it as matter of fact. You probably didn't intend for it to come out that way, but it did.

Lord Stafford.

Any opinion can be said matter-of-factly, for it would be redundant otherwise to say "in my opinion" before everything you ever say. Obviously if you're saying it, you believe it.

I knew it!

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