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Should we be worried about Twilight's Breaking Dawn?

dobby83dobby83 Posts: 422 ✭✭✭
edited November 2011 in General
I asked myself this question when I saw that the Twilight "trio" had their hand,foot ceremony in Hollywood. I MEAN, why do they have to do exactly the same thing, like why the three of them, what a lame copy of what Dan,Rupert and Emma did! On the one hand i'm kinda scared because i fear that Breaking Dawn pt 1 and 2 will gross more than DH pt 1 and 2, probably becoming more grossing than DHPT2. But on the other hand i'm not THAT worried because none of the Twilight movies have been more grossing than ANY of the Potter films, and I don't think they will out of nowhere beat Potter. What are your thoughts? Will Twilight beat Harry Potter in cinemas?
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I'm absolutely terrified of Breaking Dawn making over a billion dollars and getting better reviews than Deathly Hallows Part 2.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    This might be the end of Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings, as we know it. Mark your calendars for November 18th, as Judgment Day will finally dawn upon humanity.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Watch out Citizen Kane, here comes Breaking Dawn: Part 1.
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  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes, I'm absolutely terrified of Breaking Dawn making over a billion dollars and getting better reviews than Deathly Hallows Part 2.
    This might be the end of Harry Potter, and Lord of the Rings, as we know it. Mark your calendars for November 18th, as Judgment Day will finally dawn upon humanity.
    Watch out Citizen Kane, here comes Breaking Dawn: Part 1.
    I can't help but agree with this sarcasm. It's more scary that you actually think ''these films'' are going to scratch over Harry Potters success and legacy.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm just baffled as to why so many people are concerned about box office intake. What if Breaking Dawn makes more money than Avatar? Are people going to see it as the best film ever made? Box office earnings doesn't matter in the slightest. Transformers 3 also made over a billion dollars. Frankly the only people who care about box office intake are fanboys who want THEIR franchise of choice to be The Best™ in every conceivable way, and studio heads. That's it.
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  • FireflyFirefly Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭
    Nope.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The people who worked on Harry Potter have already been paid. The Harry Potter movies have already been made. And they were great. Part 1 and 2 are arguably the best installments. What's the box office intake of another film going to matter? Let's say for a moment that Breaking Dawn Part 1 and 2 grosses more than Harry Potter. The only thing that could possibly happen is that some Twilight fans may use that as a crux to gloat about how their franchise is better than Harry Potter, but the problem is simply that, because they like Twilight in the first place, it's not like they're in any position to speak their minds about anything.

    Also, using box office earnings to defend something, in general, is a surefire way to reinforce the fact that you're a fucking idiot. Using cash earnings as a serious defense to extrapolate the quality of story, character, atmosphere, filmmaking, and every other aspect of a work of art is inconceivably ignorant to the point where anyone who actually tries to do so is signing a contract under the dotted line in fine print that states that they have forfeit their right to free speech.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It would be like if Michael Bay wrote a poem and his poem sold more copies than The Bible.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So, no. Level-headed, logically sound people should not be concerned over such things.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    By the way, I'm not attacking you dobby83, just speaking my mind about the relevance of box office numbers. So please do not see this as me trying to tear apart your thread or whatever. I'm not doing that, just reinforcing that nobody should really care about what movie makes the most money. Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides is one of the highest grossing films of the year just because Johnny Depp was playing Jack Sparrow again, but it was also a steaming pile of giraffe shit.
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  • NimbusGold136NimbusGold136 Posts: 993
    Well, Darth, the ONLY reason I want Potter to do well in the box office is because I feel it deserves it for not only being a great film, but also because it deserves to do well for being the final film of a series that has spanned 10 years and has touched so many people (yes, I mean the films). I'm not a fanboy, it just deserves every bit of praise it gets!
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  • AshAsh Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I know I won't be getting much sleep over the next few weeks.
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  • dobby83dobby83 Posts: 422 ✭✭✭
    darthorcrux i'm not taking it as an attack, at all! It's your opinion and it's okay. The thing is,NimbusGold is right, Harry Potter deserves to do well because it has lasted for 10 years already and is the first Saga that has had 8 movies out in cinemas i think in history. That's why i think it deserves to be 3rd on top-grossing movies and even win this year's Oscar for best motion picture because it's something that Twilight will never be, AN EVENT OF A GENERATION! :)
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  • Accio_LogAccio_Log Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭
    Well, I know I won't be getting much sleep over the next few weeks.
    Me too. The BD trailers give me nightmares.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, Darth, the ONLY reason I want Potter to do well in the box office is because I feel it deserves it for not only being a great film, but also because it deserves to do well for being the final film of a series that has spanned 10 years and has touched so many people (yes, I mean the films). I'm not a fanboy, it just deserves every bit of praise it gets!
    That's fair, but when people start using it as a basis for argument, that's when it becomes a problem.
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  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, I know I won't be getting much sleep over the next few weeks.
    Me too. The BD trailers give me nightmares.

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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Here's the problem, and I'll lay it out. When one franchise does "better" than another, fans of the "winning" franchise parade it around. We'll use box office for example, because that's what we're talking about. Now, say, the opposite happens. The other franchise "wins." The very same-- VERY same people who would have put the box office earnings up on a pedestal in order to defend their championed franchise are going to turn around and say "well box office doesn't matter anyway."

    It's just like Rotten Tomatoes reviews. When something gets a higher percentage than something else, fans of that something else are going to say "well they're just critic reviews and they're always wrong anyway." Whereas if their favored film gets the higher score, all of a sudden, guess what? The RT score is now relevant!

    This is why reviews, box office, whatever is a sting to debate: it doesn't LEAD to legitimate debate. It doesn't spell out what's better than something else. As far as I'm concerned, despite Twilight being an incredibly, incredibly awful series, someone could LITERALLY make a more valid debate in a Twilight vs. whatever topic by debating using the actual source material than by playing the box office numbers card. Because the box office numbers card only dictates how many tickets are sold, rather than the actual quality of the product. It's inarguable.

    I would rather a Twilight fan try to pull valid reasoning out of those horrendous books because they'd have a much better, if fleeting, shot than if they try to defend it by using how many tickets it sold.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And yes, my signature is the RT score for Part 2. Before someone points the hypocrite finger at me, the only reason why I'm parading THAT around is because I like it. It's the same reasoning as why Nimbus, specifically, likes the box office numbers-- we simply like it. And again that's fine. But in no way can these things be used to defend it against something else. The thing about Harry Potter is that it does not need to be defended against anyone or anything. The books are fabulous, the films striking. The popularity and success. It's all there.

    Is Breaking Dawn's box office earnings going to retroactively erase Harry Potter's triumphs from history?
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  • MacMac Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭
    Guys Shut the Fuck Up. Yes I do not like Twilight,Ill get over that.But srsly.It wont beat Potter neither in Rotten Tomatoes Cuz There is no actually story...Its just wedding kissing having sex and born a bay...Whats so interesting in that ?
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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    twilight wont ever beat HP. period :)
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  • yonythemoonyyonythemoony Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The most sucessful Twilight film didn't overpass Harry Potter's least sucessful film. And again, a lot of teens have grown up and started to hate Twilight, most of the fans with brains hated the last book.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The most sucessful Twilight film didn't overpass Harry Potter's least sucessful film. And again, a lot of teens have grown up and started to hate Twilight, most of the fans with brains hated the last book.
    My girlfriend fucking loved the first three books and absolutely detested Breaking Dawn. Breaking Dawn was so bad that it made me somewhat APPRECIATE the first three.
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  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No twilight will not even scratch DH2's surface. It's not even a question. So please don't worry about something that silly lol
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • PopkinPopkin Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭
    IF it did, it wouldn't matter to me. I mean, sure I'd like HP to do better because it IS better, but it really doesn't matter. HP is deep, meaningful and solid. It stands on its own.
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  • Marie_AnetteMarie_Anette Posts: 3,506
    I highly doubt Breaking Dawn will make more than DH :-??
    No matter how many objections I might have about DH2, it was good, not some shitty teenage fling movie. Not only that, but HP fans are more numerous, I think. We're from all the age groups, from 10 year olds to 50 year olds... Whereas Twilight fans are mostly 12-16.

    And yeah, even if it did make more than DH, it wouldn't really mean anything. We know it's better and we truly appreciate all it's done for us. That's what matters. The box office... just a number on a list.
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  • JoshieJoshie Posts: 4,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    With Bill Condon being the director, possibly.
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm more worried that my dick will just fall off, grab a knife, and stab me in my now vagina than anything Breaking Dawn will do.
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  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    We have naught to worry about.
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  • JoeJoe Posts: 170
    it really doesnt m atter cause come dec 2012 the hobbit is going to destroy all in its path anyway
    Deathly Hallows combined is an amazing experience the way it was meant to be seen

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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    it really doesnt m atter cause come dec 2012 the hobbit is going to destroy all in its path anyway
    maybe.
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  • TheDoctorTheDoctor Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well if it does pass a billion it looks like dh2 will have to win an Oscar cuz that would be the only thing that wuld make sure potter is remembered above twilight trolololol
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  • JoeJoe Posts: 170
    edited November 2011
    dude none of theses pieces of shit will pass 1 billion
    Deathly Hallows combined is an amazing experience the way it was meant to be seen

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  • JoshieJoshie Posts: 4,762 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dude i am dying from obesity i deserve to say this shit
    Cool.
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  • PopkinPopkin Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭
    I'm more worried that my dick will just fall off, grab a knife, and stab me in my now vagina than anything Breaking Dawn will do.
    Please don't stab your mangina...that would just hurt :P
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  • LizLiz Posts: 2,309 ✭✭✭✭
    IF it did, it wouldn't matter to me. I mean, sure I'd like HP to do better because it IS better, but it really doesn't matter. HP is deep, meaningful and solid. It stands on its own.
    Well said Popkin!
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  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Y
    it really doesnt m atter cause come dec 2012 the hobbit is going to destroy all in its path anyway
    You are woefully wrong on this one.
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭

    vs.



    vs.


    Hmm...
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  • yonythemoonyyonythemoony Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Please don't compare the scores. It's the only good thing that Twilight has. Andthere's no need to compare it with the ones from HP.
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  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh yeah?
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  • yonythemoonyyonythemoony Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah. It's the only thing about Twilight I give a fuck.
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  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Twilights music is fine. Eclipse was my least favorite, but new moon and twilight had good music.
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • MacMac Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭

    vs.



    vs.


    Hmm...
    Sorry that BD Soundtracks are not better than Hp's.. Love Death Birth looks like its a trailer music to me.....
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  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    Love Death Birth does sound very unprofessional and I'm not just saying that. It reminds me of Isais Garcia's music. And I liked Burwell's score for Twilight better.
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  • MacMac Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭
    Love Death Birth does sound very unprofessional and I'm not just saying that. It reminds me of Isais Garcia's music. And I liked Burwell's score for Twilight better.
    the most right comment yet on this thread:)
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hm I disagree there's some good melodies there and the theme from the first film returns and it's pretty good. Garcia's music is just haphazardly written. I can actually find some decent harmony here, but maybe that's just due to me having over a decade of concert experience.
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  • SwedishSkinJerSwedishSkinJer Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭
    It's been confirmed that Lionsgate will have the second, full-length Hunger Games trailer attached to most prints of Breaking Dawn: Part 1. I'm not sure how great an incentive the trailer will be for fans of HG who otherwise do not enjoy Twilight, as it will most likely be made available online shortly after -- or around the same time -- as it appears before the film.
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  • SwedishSkinJerSwedishSkinJer Posts: 1,053 ✭✭✭
    edited November 2011
    Nevertheless, it's laughable to entertain the possibility, for one fleeting moment even, that Breaking Dawn: Part 1 will reach the critical and financial heights of Deathly Hallows: Part 2. At best, the reviews for all three preceding films have been middling, and from what I've seen thus far, Part 1 does not look like it will substantially alter the opinions of most critics of the franchise. It's the most divisive book by far.
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