The 'comedic' Voldemort is there for a grand 3 seconds with the laugh, and I've made my point about the hug already.
And you know if Newell had put in something as horribly misjudged in its execution as as the cartoon cackle or the shuffle hug, everyone would be pounding it into the ground and declaring it atrocious. Saying it was there for a few seconds doesn't mean it is good. But when it spawns the number of parodies that is already has, you know something is up.
And like I say, if they can include something as out of place as those things - if they can include VOLDEMORT HUGGING DRACO and laughing like he's having an orgasm without it being bad, why would Hagrid being savaged by enormous spiders be some kind of comedy scene? Is it because it wasn't there, and some people feel obliged to defend its absense by saying it would just be funny to have a known character captured and presumed dead? Even though they can't even admit to the shuffle hug and cartoon cackle being poorly executed. That is just blatant blind defence of the movie. It's OK to admit it had flaws. Without flaws it could not have strengths.
The 'comedic' Voldemort is there for a grand 3 seconds with the laugh, and I've made my point about the hug already.
And you know if Newell had put in something as horribly misjudged in its execution as as the cartoon cackle or the shuffle hug, everyone would be pounding it into the ground and declaring it atrocious. Saying it was there for a few seconds doesn't mean it is good. But when it spawns the number of parodies that is already has, you know something is up.
No. Not at all, who would say that? I've said before Newell isn't my favorite of the directors, but if he did it I would see it exactly the same as it is. Anyways, it was Ralph, not Yates, who suggested it.
The 'comedic' Voldemort is there for a grand 3 seconds with the laugh, and I've made my point about the hug already.
And like I say, if they can include something as out of place as those things - if they can include VOLDEMORT HUGGING DRACO and laughing like he's having an orgasm without it being bad, why would Hagrid being savaged by enormous spiders be some kind of comedy scene? Is it because it wasn't there, and some people feel obliged to defend its absense by saying it would just be funny to have a known character captured and presumed dead? Even though they can't even admit to the shuffle hug and cartoon cackle being poorly executed. That is just blatant blind defence of the movie. It's OK to admit it had flaws. Without flaws it could not have strengths.
I never said that Hagrid being captured would come off as comedic. At least I don't think I did...
It'll be interesting if we also feel this absence of him while watching Part 1 and Part 2 together. I'm sure it still will, but not as much as that being his first appearance.
I was thinking about this the other day, but watching it as one I think I'll feel his absence all the more - having him appear at the Wedding and then not for another three hours until we next see him at Harry's death will feel really long, for me anyway. And maybe you didn't say it, but somebody said Hagrid's capture would be comedic. Speaking of the shuffle hug, if memory serves even Evanna seemed pretty hesitant about it, and didn't Felton make some kind of half witty half serious remark on Twitter about how awkward it was? Whatever, I know A LOT of the fandom who defend Yates would be decrying those moments if they were found in Newell's movie. Like it's been said before, it has become the "in" thing, as it once was with Columbus, to savage everything to do with GOF and Newell's work on it. Lots of fans complain about everything in GOF purely because it was Newell who did it. It has even happened quite a bit in the past on this forum, something darth would testify to, since I seem to remember him being one of the few who weren't tearing into GOF just for the sake of it.
I was thinking about this the other day, but watching it as one I think I'll feel his absence all the more - having him appear at the Wedding and then not for another three hours until we next see him at Harry's death will feel really long, for me anyway. And maybe you didn't say it, but somebody said Hagrid's capture would be comedic. Speaking of the shuffle hug, if memory serves even Evanna seemed pretty hesitant about it, and didn't Felton make some kind of half witty half serious remark on Twitter about how awkward it was? Whatever, I know A LOT of the fandom who defend Yates would be decrying those moments if they were found in Newell's movie. Like it's been said before, it has become the "in" thing, as it once was with Columbus, to savage everything to do with GOF and Newell's work on it. Lots of fans complain about everything in GOF purely because it was Newell who did it. It has even happened quite a bit in the past on this forum, something darth would testify to, since I seem to remember him being one of the few who weren't tearing into GOF just for the sake of it.
I agree. I hate the fact bashing GOF has become "popular"- I mean, come on.
I was thinking about this the other day, but watching it as one I think I'll feel his absence all the more - having him appear at the Wedding and then not for another three hours until we next see him at Harry's death will feel really long, for me anyway. And maybe you didn't say it, but somebody said Hagrid's capture would be comedic. Speaking of the shuffle hug, if memory serves even Evanna seemed pretty hesitant about it, and didn't Felton make some kind of half witty half serious remark on Twitter about how awkward it was? Whatever, I know A LOT of the fandom who defend Yates would be decrying those moments if they were found in Newell's movie. Like it's been said before, it has become the "in" thing, as it once was with Columbus, to savage everything to do with GOF and Newell's work on it. Lots of fans complain about everything in GOF purely because it was Newell who did it. It has even happened quite a bit in the past on this forum, something darth would testify to, since I seem to remember him being one of the few who weren't tearing into GOF just for the sake of it.
GoF is my 2nd least favorite of the series, but that's like saying I don't like chocolate cake as much as marble cake. It's still fucking cake that's awesome. I do have my problems with it, but I'm not one to say 'oh I hate it Newell is the worst thing ever.' It's still the most entertaining Potter behind DH2 and it revived the series in terms of box office. Kloves script was also not that great.
I don't really see how "they had something this bad in the film, why not include something else that was that bad?" is a legitimate reason to include something else. I just think with what we know of courtyard apocalypse, Hagrid does not really have a place in it.
I agree that the hug/laugh were a bit funny/out of place. I actually like how he shouts "Harry Potter is dead!" then the DEs start laughing, but then his laugh is like wot lol. Same with the Draco thing, the tension when his parents call him and as he walks over is pretty good. Then...yeah. None of this tops the atrociousness of Dobby unscrewing the chandelier though.
Hagrid being captured by the spiders would be no more out of place and unintentionally comedic than the Voldemort guffaws and the notorious shuffle-hug. Say what you will to defend them, they may work well on paper and if they were executed differently, but in the form we find them in the movie they are a little bit out of place and funny. But Hagrid's random placement in the Forest scene distracted from the intensity and intimate drive of the scene - it was supposed to be a scene purely about Voldemort and Harry, but actually INTRODUCING Hagrid randomly in that scene took away from that.
I will also quote Xeno in response to your earlier comment, weasley9: "I am glad to see you are opening your mind a little".
And you know if Newell had put in something as horribly misjudged in its execution as as the cartoon cackle or the shuffle hug, everyone would be pounding it into the ground and declaring it atrocious.
Absolutely. Look at the hate the tongue flick gets compared to this. I actually liked it because it's a visual clue, which is not nearly as obvious as Harry saying that the cursed necklace was meant for Dumbledore.
Maybe they could do it and not make it that way, (they succeeded with the Forest scene)
No, it detracted from the focus on Harry and Voldemort.
Did it really? Not at all for me, it was a couple seconds with Hagrid's worry. The only thing that could have detracted from that scene was the derp face of that death eater )
About Hagrid, I think that we only needed one scene at the slopes around his hut. We didn't even see this part of the castle. They could have shown Hagrid just being there, looking at the burning castle or Snatchers/DEs attacking the grounds. The nighttime battle needed another 3-minute montage showing the rest of the secondary characters fighting and/or reacting to the battle. I agree that Bellatrix's death feels random. The editing is fine, the flow of the scene is fine, it's just that the duel itself comes out of nowhere. The aftermath is lacking as well. Cute scene, but underwhelming. Also, they needed to show a couple of minutes of background battles during the daytime fight. They had filmed stuff in the Courtyard/Great Hall/Staircases sets and I think this would have created a much more complete final action scene. Still, Harry and Voldemort's duel was stunning in my opinion. Altering from claustrophobic and almost gunfight-like to epic and grand. In terms of the story, the only additional things that should have been there would be some closure to the Deathly Hallows during the scene with Dumbledore and some sort of a flashback during the Elder Wand explanation in the end. Everything else worked really well. Finally, there were a couple of awkward acting moments when Neville and the D.A. meet the Trio and little bits and pieces before the battle. Other than these little complaints, there is nothing else to mention. Actually, in my opinion, there is nothing bad or negative about the film. At all. There is something lacking in the aforementioned scenes, which work well, but could have been much better. The rest of it is absolutely great. Great action and VFX, solid acting with moments of absolute brilliance (Rickman, Fiennes, Smith and Rickman especially), stunning cinematography, makeup, art direction, score, sound etc., tight script and a very fulfilling finale for the entire series.
About Hagrid, I think that we only needed one scene at the slopes around his hut. We didn't even see this part of the castle. They could have shown Hagrid just being there, looking at the burning castle or Snatchers/DEs attacking the grounds. The nighttime battle needed another 3-minute montage showing the rest of the secondary characters fighting and/or reacting to the battle. I agree that Bellatrix's death feels random. The editing is fine, the flow of the scene is fine, it's just that the duel itself comes out of nowhere. The aftermath is lacking as well. Cute scene, but underwhelming. Also, they needed to show a couple of minutes of background battles during the daytime fight. They had filmed stuff in the Courtyard/Great Hall/Staircases sets and I think this would have created a much more complete final action scene. Still, Harry and Voldemort's duel was stunning in my opinion. Altering from claustrophobic and almost gunfight-like to epic and grand. In terms of the story, the only additional things that should have been there would be some closure to the Deathly Hallows during the scene with Dumbledore and some sort of a flashback during the Elder Wand explanation in the end. Everything else worked really well. Finally, there were a couple of awkward acting moments when Neville and the D.A. meet the Trio and little bits and pieces before the battle. Other than these little complaints, there is nothing else to mention. Actually, in my opinion, there is nothing bad or negative about the film. At all. There is something lacking in the aforementioned scenes, which work well, but could have been much better. The rest of it is absolutely great. Great action and VFX, solid acting with moments of absolute brilliance (Rickman, Fiennes, Smith and Rickman especially), stunning cinematography, makeup, art direction, score, sound etc., tight script and a very fulfilling finale for the entire series.
JOHNNNNNN! I missed your insightful posts! Where have you been mister?
About Hagrid, I think that we only needed one scene at the slopes around his hut. We didn't even see this part of the castle. They could have shown Hagrid just being there, looking at the burning castle or Snatchers/DEs attacking the grounds. The nighttime battle needed another 3-minute montage showing the rest of the secondary characters fighting and/or reacting to the battle. I agree that Bellatrix's death feels random. The editing is fine, the flow of the scene is fine, it's just that the duel itself comes out of nowhere. The aftermath is lacking as well. Cute scene, but underwhelming. Also, they needed to show a couple of minutes of background battles during the daytime fight. They had filmed stuff in the Courtyard/Great Hall/Staircases sets and I think this would have created a much more complete final action scene. Still, Harry and Voldemort's duel was stunning in my opinion. Altering from claustrophobic and almost gunfight-like to epic and grand. In terms of the story, the only additional things that should have been there would be some closure to the Deathly Hallows during the scene with Dumbledore and some sort of a flashback during the Elder Wand explanation in the end. Everything else worked really well. Finally, there were a couple of awkward acting moments when Neville and the D.A. meet the Trio and little bits and pieces before the battle. Other than these little complaints, there is nothing else to mention. Actually, in my opinion, there is nothing bad or negative about the film. At all. There is something lacking in the aforementioned scenes, which work well, but could have been much better. The rest of it is absolutely great. Great action and VFX, solid acting with moments of absolute brilliance (Rickman, Fiennes, Smith and Rickman especially), stunning cinematography, makeup, art direction, score, sound etc., tight script and a very fulfilling finale for the entire series.
This basically. There's nothing wrong with the movie, it's just lacking in some parts.
Man, we are so fucking critical! Loll, imagine if we did this with every movie we saw
This is why critics opinions mean squat shit to me. Am I supposed to believe that a critic who sees this film once and doesn't understand any of the symbolism, themes, or meanings behind scenes knows more than me who has followed this for a decade and have seen it multiple times?
"Comedic" Voldemort is okay. Why? Because he's so high and giddy over Harry finally being dead. He's euphoric. He's finally won. He has been trying to kill Harry for over a decade. He's also a total psychopath and nutjob. So yeah, he's going to flaunt his victory and come off over the top. His Draco hug wasn't sincere in the slightest either. This character is one who lies and cheats and seduces his way into whatever he wants; just look at Half-Blood Prince, what he does to Hepzibah for the cup.
On a surface level one could find it funny, but when you take into consideration the history of that character and how he's nothing but a Satanic-like figure, it makes total and complete sense. The devil is cunning, and he does not hold honesty in any sort of regard. When he hugged Draco he was putting on a show, PRETENDING like he's just oh-so capable of compassion, to not only recruit more followers but to also humor himself first before a crowd of people that he probably had every intention to murder right there on the spot afterwards if they did not join him.
Harry Potter is full of Christian allegories. Harry's resurrection is Christ-like and his nemesis shares all the characteristics of Satan himself, who is largely known, again, to be full of nothing but deceit. Voldemort doesn't care about Draco, he merely uses him on the spot.
I think it's maybe why I was so satisfied and impressed with the climax of the film. So many characteristics of Harry and Voldemort shine but in subtle and clever ways. I felt that the last 20 minutes of Part 2 portrayed Voldemort better and more accurate to his book persona than in anything prior in the films proper.
"Comedic" Voldemort is okay. Why? Because he's so high and giddy over Harry finally being dead. He's euphoric. He's finally won. He has been trying to kill Harry for over a decade. He's also a total psychopath and nutjob. So yeah, he's going to flaunt his victory and come off over the top. His Draco hug wasn't sincere in the slightest either. This character is one who lies and cheats and seduces his way into whatever he wants; just look at Half-Blood Prince, what he does to Hepzibah for the cup.
On a surface level one could find it funny, but when you take into consideration the history of that character and how he's nothing but a Satanic-like figure, it makes total and complete sense. The devil is cunning, and he does not hold honesty in any sort of regard. When he hugged Draco he was putting on a show, PRETENDING like he's just oh-so capable of compassion, to not only recruit more followers but to also humor himself first before a crowd of people that he probably had every intention to murder right there on the spot afterwards if they did not join him.
Harry Potter is full of Christian allegories. Harry's resurrection is Christ-like and his nemesis shares all the characteristics of Satan himself, who is largely known, again, to be full of nothing but deceit. Voldemort doesn't care about Draco, he merely uses him on the spot.
This x1000. It's anti-christ because he hides their true colors before showing, as Voldemort is attempting to do here.
This x1000. It's anti-christ because he hides their true colors before showing, as Voldemort is attempting to do here.
He's just obviously full of two things: himself, and shit. I just love how cunning and snake-like Voldemort is there at the end. Not only the way he flaunts and acts around the crowd of people, but also how he, during the fight, cheats and warps behind Harry for a back attack on two different occasions. There's even a bit of depth there too. Voldemort has hit Harry with AK twice and it failed both times. He's utterly confused about how Harry is still alive and I think it's interesting that he almost seems afraid to confront Harry head-on. I think this definitely shows how he's astonished that Harry has been able to cheat death twice, and that probably scares the fuck out of him. Voldemort's biggest goal in life is to become immortal and cheat death, and here's Harry Potter, who has managed to do so without trying.
This is visually portrayed in the final duel, as Voldemort throws spell after spell at Harry, who continually blocks them, and resorts to sneak attacking.
I also love how Harry talks to Voldemort like he really knows him by now, not like someone he has just met. This really shows when he says "you were right when you said that wand would fail you. It will always fail." It's like he's trying to get him fired up. )
I also love how Harry talks to Voldemort like he really knows him by now, not like someone he has just met. This really shows when he says "you were right when you said that wand would fail you. It will always fail." It's like he's trying to get him fired up. )
Yes, I'm very fond of that moment. It's great. Dan is great. I like how Harry is talking to him, not like he's someone he's afraid of anymore. And all Voldemort can do? Shoot more spells.
And anyone else love Voldemort's weakening voice? It's VERY noticeable for the first time in the boathouse and here again when he says: 'I killed Snape!' Such mother fucking attention to detail.
I also love how Harry talks to Voldemort like he really knows him by now, not like someone he has just met. This really shows when he says "you were right when you said that wand would fail you. It will always fail." It's like he's trying to get him fired up. )
Yes, I'm very fond of that moment. It's great. Dan is great. I like how Harry is talking to him, not like he's someone he's afraid of anymore. And all Voldemort can do? Shoot more spells.
I also love how Harry talks to Voldemort like he really knows him by now, not like someone he has just met. This really shows when he says "you were right when you said that wand would fail you. It will always fail." It's like he's trying to get him fired up. )
Yes, I'm very fond of that moment. It's great. Dan is great. I like how Harry is talking to him, not like he's someone he's afraid of anymore. And all Voldemort can do? Shoot more spells.
And I cannot express in words how much I LOVE LOVE LOVE that they had Voldemort physically beat Harry, even if it was only for a few seconds. Displays his desperation perfectly.
I also love how Harry talks to Voldemort like he really knows him by now, not like someone he has just met. This really shows when he says "you were right when you said that wand would fail you. It will always fail." It's like he's trying to get him fired up. )
Yes, I'm very fond of that moment. It's great. Dan is great. I like how Harry is talking to him, not like he's someone he's afraid of anymore. And all Voldemort can do? Shoot more spells.
And I cannot express in words how much I LOVE LOVE LOVE that they had Voldemort physically beat Harry, even if it was only for a few seconds. Displays his desperation perfectly.
YES! The first time I heard this I was just picturing it's greatness. And when he punches him against the stone column? Ugh, so beautiful!
Harry takes that shit like a boss. And honestly, Voldemort's strikes probably don't hurt all that much. In all probability, Harry probably could have beaten the shit out of him in a physical fist fight.
Harry takes that shit like a boss. And honestly, Voldemort's strikes probably don't hurt all that much. In all probability, Harry probably could have beaten the shit out of him in a physical fist fight.
Harry takes that shit like a boss. And honestly, Voldemort's strikes probably don't hurt all that much. In all probability, Harry probably could have beaten the shit out of him in a physical fist fight.
The man's 71 years old, right? Loll, Harry's would own that shit. Ohh, how I wish Harry would've asked if Voldy is mad.
I also like how Harry seems to have his game plan figured out. He and Voldemort are alone, Voldemort has resorted to sissy slaps. Harry knows that Voldemort is almost at the bottom of his bag of tricks, if not THE bottom. It's interesting to think what WOULD have happened if Harry hadn't grabbed on to him and took them over the edge. Do you think Voldemort would have pushed him off? I think so. I think that's why Harry just said fuck this if you're about to push me off this bitch you're coming too.
I also like how Harry seems to have his game plan figured out. He and Voldemort are alone, Voldemort has resorted to sissy slaps. Harry knows that Voldemort is almost at the bottom of his bag of tricks, if not THE bottom. It's interesting to think what WOULD have happened if Harry hadn't grabbed on to him and took them over the edge. Do you think Voldemort would have pushed him off? I think so. I think that's why Harry just said fuck this if you're about to push me off this bitch you're coming too.
I also like how Harry seems to have his game plan figured out. He and Voldemort are alone, Voldemort has resorted to sissy slaps. Harry knows that Voldemort is almost at the bottom of his bag of tricks, if not THE bottom. It's interesting to think what WOULD have happened if Harry hadn't grabbed on to him and took them over the edge. Do you think Voldemort would have pushed him off? I think so. I think that's why Harry just said fuck this if you're about to push me off this bitch you're coming too.
Haha, it is an interesting thought! Voldemort was inching closer and I wonder what he would've done. But yeah, that does seem like the likely option.
Voldemort's thoughts: *Maybe he's as dumb as the snatchers and won't realize with the protections gone he can apparate to safety from a fall*
"Comedic" Voldemort is okay. Why? Because he's so high and giddy over Harry finally being dead. He's euphoric. He's finally won. He has been trying to kill Harry for over a decade. He's also a total psychopath and nutjob. So yeah, he's going to flaunt his victory and come off over the top. His Draco hug wasn't sincere in the slightest either. This character is one who lies and cheats and seduces his way into whatever he wants; just look at Half-Blood Prince, what he does to Hepzibah for the cup.
On a surface level one could find it funny, but when you take into consideration the history of that character and how he's nothing but a Satanic-like figure, it makes total and complete sense. The devil is cunning, and he does not hold honesty in any sort of regard. When he hugged Draco he was putting on a show, PRETENDING like he's just oh-so capable of compassion, to not only recruit more followers but to also humor himself first before a crowd of people that he probably had every intention to murder right there on the spot afterwards if they did not join him.
Harry Potter is full of Christian allegories. Harry's resurrection is Christ-like and his nemesis shares all the characteristics of Satan himself, who is largely known, again, to be full of nothing but deceit. Voldemort doesn't care about Draco, he merely uses him on the spot.
I think it's maybe why I was so satisfied and impressed with the climax of the film. So many characteristics of Harry and Voldemort shine but in subtle and clever ways. I felt that the last 20 minutes of Part 2 portrayed Voldemort better and more accurate to his book persona than in anything prior in the films proper.
This x1000. It's anti-christ because he hides their true colors before showing, as Voldemort is attempting to do here.
He's just obviously full of two things: himself, and shit. I just love how cunning and snake-like Voldemort is there at the end. Not only the way he flaunts and acts around the crowd of people, but also how he, during the fight, cheats and warps behind Harry for a back attack on two different occasions. There's even a bit of depth there too. Voldemort has hit Harry with AK twice and it failed both times. He's utterly confused about how Harry is still alive and I think it's interesting that he almost seems afraid to confront Harry head-on. I think this definitely shows how he's astonished that Harry has been able to cheat death twice, and that probably scares the fuck out of him. Voldemort's biggest goal in life is to become immortal and cheat death, and here's Harry Potter, who has managed to do so without trying.
This is visually portrayed in the final duel, as Voldemort throws spell after spell at Harry, who continually blocks them, and resorts to sneak attacking.
I also love how Harry talks to Voldemort like he really knows him by now, not like someone he has just met. This really shows when he says "you were right when you said that wand would fail you. It will always fail." It's like he's trying to get him fired up. )
Yes, I'm very fond of that moment. It's great. Dan is great. I like how Harry is talking to him, not like he's someone he's afraid of anymore. And all Voldemort can do? Shoot more spells.
Harry takes that shit like a boss. And honestly, Voldemort's strikes probably don't hurt all that much. In all probability, Harry probably could have beaten the shit out of him in a physical fist fight.
I also like how Harry seems to have his game plan figured out. He and Voldemort are alone, Voldemort has resorted to sissy slaps. Harry knows that Voldemort is almost at the bottom of his bag of tricks, if not THE bottom. It's interesting to think what WOULD have happened if Harry hadn't grabbed on to him and took them over the edge. Do you think Voldemort would have pushed him off? I think so. I think that's why Harry just said fuck this if you're about to push me off this bitch you're coming too.
Interesting thought about Voldemort pushing Harry off. Definitely wouldn't put it past him at that point, I bet you he was definitely thinking it as Voldemot sort of inches towards him.
"Comedic" Voldemort is okay. Why? Because he's so high and giddy over Harry finally being dead. He's euphoric. He's finally won. He has been trying to kill Harry for over a decade. He's also a total psychopath and nutjob. So yeah, he's going to flaunt his victory and come off over the top. His Draco hug wasn't sincere in the slightest either. This character is one who lies and cheats and seduces his way into whatever he wants; just look at Half-Blood Prince, what he does to Hepzibah for the cup.
On a surface level one could find it funny, but when you take into consideration the history of that character and how he's nothing but a Satanic-like figure, it makes total and complete sense. The devil is cunning, and he does not hold honesty in any sort of regard. When he hugged Draco he was putting on a show, PRETENDING like he's just oh-so capable of compassion, to not only recruit more followers but to also humor himself first before a crowd of people that he probably had every intention to murder right there on the spot afterwards if they did not join him.
Harry Potter is full of Christian allegories. Harry's resurrection is Christ-like and his nemesis shares all the characteristics of Satan himself, who is largely known, again, to be full of nothing but deceit. Voldemort doesn't care about Draco, he merely uses him on the spot.
Yeah, I like the characterization of Voldemort in this film. It far surpasses OotP and DH1 and perhaps even GoF.
"Comedic" Voldemort is okay. Why? Because he's so high and giddy over Harry finally being dead. He's euphoric. He's finally won. He has been trying to kill Harry for over a decade. He's also a total psychopath and nutjob. So yeah, he's going to flaunt his victory and come off over the top. His Draco hug wasn't sincere in the slightest either. This character is one who lies and cheats and seduces his way into whatever he wants; just look at Half-Blood Prince, what he does to Hepzibah for the cup.
On a surface level one could find it funny, but when you take into consideration the history of that character and how he's nothing but a Satanic-like figure, it makes total and complete sense. The devil is cunning, and he does not hold honesty in any sort of regard. When he hugged Draco he was putting on a show, PRETENDING like he's just oh-so capable of compassion, to not only recruit more followers but to also humor himself first before a crowd of people that he probably had every intention to murder right there on the spot afterwards if they did not join him.
Harry Potter is full of Christian allegories. Harry's resurrection is Christ-like and his nemesis shares all the characteristics of Satan himself, who is largely known, again, to be full of nothing but deceit. Voldemort doesn't care about Draco, he merely uses him on the spot.
Yeah, I like the characterization of Voldemort in this film. It far surpasses OotP and DH1 and perhaps even GoF.
You are right, but not about GOF. That was THE Voldemort in GOF.
"Comedic" Voldemort is okay. Why? Because he's so high and giddy over Harry finally being dead. He's euphoric. He's finally won. He has been trying to kill Harry for over a decade. He's also a total psychopath and nutjob. So yeah, he's going to flaunt his victory and come off over the top. His Draco hug wasn't sincere in the slightest either. This character is one who lies and cheats and seduces his way into whatever he wants; just look at Half-Blood Prince, what he does to Hepzibah for the cup.
On a surface level one could find it funny, but when you take into consideration the history of that character and how he's nothing but a Satanic-like figure, it makes total and complete sense. The devil is cunning, and he does not hold honesty in any sort of regard. When he hugged Draco he was putting on a show, PRETENDING like he's just oh-so capable of compassion, to not only recruit more followers but to also humor himself first before a crowd of people that he probably had every intention to murder right there on the spot afterwards if they did not join him.
Harry Potter is full of Christian allegories. Harry's resurrection is Christ-like and his nemesis shares all the characteristics of Satan himself, who is largely known, again, to be full of nothing but deceit. Voldemort doesn't care about Draco, he merely uses him on the spot.
Like Braveheart says... something on paper will always work and then for it to be transcended onto the screen is another matter entirely. I'll tell you what, that hug perhaps and most likely would have worked if Voldemort had given the crowd a look. All we got was the crowd smirking at it, and then they proceeded to have Lucius have a little sniff.
Ew. Voldemort in GoF was sort of laughable. The playful villain scream at the end, the "CRUUUUCIOOOO" and the "I CAN TOUCH YOU NOW." And the scream with the mouth open and the tongue hanging out. Bleh. The scene was haunting but I liked him better calm.
I think it's maybe why I was so satisfied and impressed with the climax of the film. So many characteristics of Harry and Voldemort shine but in subtle and clever ways. I felt that the last 20 minutes of Part 2 portrayed Voldemort better and more accurate to his book persona than in anything prior in the films proper.
Yes, really. The essence of Voldemort was meant to be like a cartoon, exactly how it was in the book... oh wait.
Ew. Voldemort in GoF was sort of laughable. The playful villain scream at the end, the "CRUUUUCIOOOO" and the "I CAN TOUCH YOU NOW." And the scream with the mouth open and the tongue hanging out. Bleh. The scene was haunting but I liked him better calm.
There you go, Braveheart. We've just received proof of what you said.
Ew. Voldemort in GoF was sort of laughable. The playful villain scream at the end, the "CRUUUUCIOOOO" and the "I CAN TOUCH YOU NOW." And the scream with the mouth open and the tongue hanging out. Bleh. The scene was haunting but I liked him better calm.
There you go, Braveheart. We've just received proof of what you said.
Not only that. Something in Part 2 that's bad will be seen differently because it is directed by Yates. The same thing, equally as bad, and directed by Newell... will be slaughtered.
Not only that. Something in Part 2 that's bad will be seen differently because it is directed by Yates. The same thing, equally as bad, and directed by Newell... will be slaughtered.
Why is that a stupid reason? God. The graveyard scene is still haunting, so what if I find Voldemort in other films better? And what defines a stupid reason, anything Stafford finds stupid?
Why is that a stupid reason? God. The graveyard scene is still haunting, so what if I find Voldemort in other films better? And what defines a stupid reason, anything Stafford finds stupid?
I wanted to edit my post to express myself clearer, but I couldn't due to overcapacity on the vanilla forum or something. Anyway, my post wasn't directed at your complaints, but to your question about what Braveheart was right about. Your points are all valid and I don't expect you to hate the film because of those.
I feel, however, that some people are too harsh on minor problems with GoF and partially hate it because of those, whereas they ignore similar problems with the later films. For instance, I find it ironic how some criticize the Barty Crouch jr subplot for being predictable (even though you would have to remember what polyjuice potion is from CoS and piece together the mystery before you are given all the details), and then they don't give a damn about Draco's mission being blatantly spelled out to you in HBP.
Similar problems? There has been alot worse than what we got in GOF. Even Aaron admitted that HBP was awful as can be in terms of adaptation. He agreed with me on that part, and somehow... little niggling problems in GOF that ARE alot easier to forgive and forget outweigh massive problems. I can only guess that GOF is the most beloved book.
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And like I say, if they can include something as out of place as those things - if they can include VOLDEMORT HUGGING DRACO and laughing like he's having an orgasm without it being bad, why would Hagrid being savaged by enormous spiders be some kind of comedy scene? Is it because it wasn't there, and some people feel obliged to defend its absense by saying it would just be funny to have a known character captured and presumed dead? Even though they can't even admit to the shuffle hug and cartoon cackle being poorly executed. That is just blatant blind defence of the movie. It's OK to admit it had flaws. Without flaws it could not have strengths.
It'll be interesting if we also feel this absence of him while watching Part 1 and Part 2 together. I'm sure it still will, but not as much as that being his first appearance.
I hate the fact bashing
GOF has become "popular"-
I mean, come on.
G.G.
I agree that the hug/laugh were a bit funny/out of place. I actually like how he shouts "Harry Potter is dead!" then the DEs start laughing, but then his laugh is like wot lol. Same with the Draco thing, the tension when his parents call him and as he walks over is pretty good. Then...yeah. None of this tops the atrociousness of Dobby unscrewing the chandelier though. Touché.
About Hagrid, I think that we only needed one scene at the slopes around his hut. We didn't even see this part of the castle. They could have shown Hagrid just being there, looking at the burning castle or Snatchers/DEs attacking the grounds. The nighttime battle needed another 3-minute montage showing the rest of the secondary characters fighting and/or reacting to the battle.
I agree that Bellatrix's death feels random. The editing is fine, the flow of the scene is fine, it's just that the duel itself comes out of nowhere. The aftermath is lacking as well. Cute scene, but underwhelming. Also, they needed to show a couple of minutes of background battles during the daytime fight. They had filmed stuff in the Courtyard/Great Hall/Staircases sets and I think this would have created a much more complete final action scene. Still, Harry and Voldemort's duel was stunning in my opinion. Altering from claustrophobic and almost gunfight-like to epic and grand.
In terms of the story, the only additional things that should have been there would be some closure to the Deathly Hallows during the scene with Dumbledore and some sort of a flashback during the Elder Wand explanation in the end. Everything else worked really well.
Finally, there were a couple of awkward acting moments when Neville and the D.A. meet the Trio and little bits and pieces before the battle.
Other than these little complaints, there is nothing else to mention. Actually, in my opinion, there is nothing bad or negative about the film. At all. There is something lacking in the aforementioned scenes, which work well, but could have been much better.
The rest of it is absolutely great. Great action and VFX, solid acting with moments of absolute brilliance (Rickman, Fiennes, Smith and Rickman especially), stunning cinematography, makeup, art direction, score, sound etc., tight script and a very fulfilling finale for the entire series.
This is why critics opinions mean squat shit to me. Am I supposed to believe that a critic who sees this film once and doesn't understand any of the symbolism, themes, or meanings behind scenes knows more than me who has followed this for a decade and have seen it multiple times?
Yeah, fuck that shit, critics can suck it.
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On a surface level one could find it funny, but when you take into consideration the history of that character and how he's nothing but a Satanic-like figure, it makes total and complete sense. The devil is cunning, and he does not hold honesty in any sort of regard. When he hugged Draco he was putting on a show, PRETENDING like he's just oh-so capable of compassion, to not only recruit more followers but to also humor himself first before a crowd of people that he probably had every intention to murder right there on the spot afterwards if they did not join him.
Harry Potter is full of Christian allegories. Harry's resurrection is Christ-like and his nemesis shares all the characteristics of Satan himself, who is largely known, again, to be full of nothing but deceit. Voldemort doesn't care about Draco, he merely uses him on the spot.
This is visually portrayed in the final duel, as Voldemort throws spell after spell at Harry, who continually blocks them, and resorts to sneak attacking.
LOL
*punch*
Harry - u mad bro?
yeah or harry could have just apparated.
Voldemort's thoughts: *Maybe he's as dumb as the snatchers and won't realize with the protections gone he can apparate to safety from a fall*
THIS!
G.G.
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I feel, however, that some people are too harsh on minor problems with GoF and partially hate it because of those, whereas they ignore similar problems with the later films. For instance, I find it ironic how some criticize the Barty Crouch jr subplot for being predictable (even though you would have to remember what polyjuice potion is from CoS and piece together the mystery before you are given all the details), and then they don't give a damn about Draco's mission being blatantly spelled out to you in HBP.
Lord Stafford.