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Which Potter film do you believe is the least PG?

Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited August 2011 in Movies
For all intents and purposes, i believe that it is GOF. And now... onto my explanations for and against with each of them.

PS: There must be something wrong when this has better deaths than the last film. But, all the while, this is of course the most PG. It is almost strictly for children unless it is watched by and with their parents.

COS: Whilst it doesn't have that much going on, it is probably the scariest childrens film around. It is chilling, thrilling and it contains alot of death. How can this be a PG? Well, it does, like i say... include alot of death. It isn't hidden, and for some reason, WB weren't a bunch of pussies back then.

POA: This is when they up the ante. The darker themes are now even more in the forefront of the story. The whole climax has a feel about it that doesn't feel right for children. We see the process of someone having their soul sucked out and almost taken for good. We see the equally gruesome process of the human into werewolf transformation. Neither are particularly pleasant, now, are they?

GOF: The whole tone of it, there are a few jokes here and there but they are not as detrimental as HBP's. Even in the first minute, they have something for us to chew on our fingernails for. The graveyard duel and confrontation alone is the least PG moment in the series, that's for certain.

OOTP: With no disrespect, this could have easily be made by Disney. It has the overall look and feel about it, that whilst it is teenage angst and all that... it still has a clear and vibrant sense of being somewhat childish. Only when we finally see Dumbledore and Voldemort face off, do we see a glimpse of things to come.

HBP: If fellow filmmakers need any reminding... this is the definition of a chance lost. As good as it is, it still goes down the drain with the cafe scene. For all the wisecracks, it is still good. It just is what it is 'a chance lost' as far as adaptations go, this is very bad. You read the book and then watch the film, and you can't help feeling that something was and must have been very wrong in the creative process. This is perhaps the darkest book, and for many reasons, but it is also the lightest film along with OOTP.

Part 1: It's no wonder when they are out and about in the wilderness, that they would be captured, attacked, and almost raped in Hermione's case. This is a film without cheesy jokes, unless of course you call the dance a joke, which i do. The Malfoy Manor climax is the perfect example of when you can tell that any of us fans might indeed be just as talented as a 'professional screenwriter'

Part 2: You want lies and American humour galore? Come and see Part 2. If i was to adopt an advertising voice, that would work quite well. Apparently this would be a 'war film' and in the genre of 'epic' not just for the sake of saying it. It is neither 'war' or 'epic' because if it was, it is lacklustre in both departments, as is the space filled by and because of Mark Day. Like i said... there must be something wrong when PS has better deaths than this.

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  • FireflyFirefly Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭
    I got to "OOTP could have been made by Disney" and stopped reading.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I got to "OOTP could have been made by Disney" and stopped reading.
    Well, go on then. I don't mind. It isn't without it's reasons, you know.

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  • decarusdecarus Posts: 5,953 ✭✭✭
    GoF is the most disturbing of the films.
  • AshAsh Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Personally, I think they're all "safe PG's". How any of these were rated 12A in the UK, PG-13 in the USA etc is absolutely beyond me. And while I think all of them are suitable for young children (after all, they are children's films), for me Order, Prince, and Hallows (Part 1) are the least child-friendly of the bunch, whereas Philosopher's and Goblet, and Hallows Part 2 are your typical children's fantasy blockbuster fare. With Chamber and Prisoner being somewhere in the middle.
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  • LisaLisa Posts: 38
    I'm sure they are all family friendly too, otherwise they wouldn't have been given a PG rating! But to answer the actual question, I would say Chamber of Secrets.
    I'm not even really saying that the other ones don't have things that would be bad with young kids, but COS is the only one that freaks me out if I'm watching it alone lol. And I could imagine the parseltounge through the walls and petrified people and the basilisk would terrifiy a lot of kids.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OOTP CHILDISH? OMG OOTP is the most mature film of the whole saga IMO
    Both of you clearly didn't read any further, as you said. But you should have done so.

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  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OOTP CHILDISH? OMG OOTP is the most mature film of the whole saga IMO
    ROTFL!
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    'Somewhat childish' i believe i said.

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  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Prisoner of Azkaban isn't childish at all.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, it's all opinion. But in the context of what i said, it does make sense.

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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You can quote the word 'childish' all you want, without quoting it in context. It doesn't change anything, because neither of us are right.

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  • AshAsh Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    PoA does have some childish moments, including one of the most cringeworthy, awfullest scenes in the entire series: the Gryffindor dormitory.
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  • Festax0333Festax0333 Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
    DH2 isnt a childish film either
    i know we didnt see alot of death but stil
    we did see lavender being eaten, goyle falling into the fire, the fetus, the goblins being massacered, snapes death and alot of destruction

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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I never said it was. But they certainly did hold back, at times... if a person falls into fire, you do expect to see a little more.

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  • Festax0333Festax0333 Posts: 11,753 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I never said it was. But they certainly did hold back, at times... if a person falls into fire, you do expect to see a little more.

    Lord Stafford.
    eh goyle wasntreally important

    and we didnt see much in thebook with crabbe, did we?
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There is a difference. In a book, you don't really see blood, do you? And what is it with you guys? Have you been brainwashed or something? Why is everything cast aside as 'not important' nowadays?

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  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    There is a difference. In a book, you don't really see blood, do you? And what is it with you guys? Have you been brainwashed or something? Why is everything cast aside as 'not important' nowadays?

    Lord Stafford.
    And why is everything atrociously written.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Look who's talking. You can't even add a question mark to the end of a question.

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  • BraveheartBraveheart Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭
    'Somewhat childish' i believe i said.

    Lord Stafford.
    which is nonsense.
    Ps - well thats childish
    Cos - same
    Poa- same
    Gof - too cheesy, unbalanced
    Ootp - not many laughs, incredibly mature
    Hbp - lots of FUNNY jokes that are not cheesy at all
    DH1 - Some humour that sometimes destroys the moment
    DH2 - same as dh1
    Ok I'm sorry. "These girls, they're going to kill me, Harry". To say the jokes in HBP are not cheesy AT ALL is a bit of an overstatement, because some of them were kind of misplaced.

    As to the original question, I think Part 2 is probably the least child friendly. I know I have problems with a lot of the humour and with certain other factors, but Voldemort walking barefoot through the pools of blood and bodies was the first properly disturbing image since Voldemort prodded Cedric's dead face with his foot. There was a lot of blood in Part 2, even down to one side of Neville's face practically streaming with it, and there were a lot of bodies, some of them children, just lying about scenes. Lavender's throat being eaten was brief and you didn't see much, but it was still disturbing, I suppose it was kind of disturbing seeing a teenager falling into fire even if we didn't see much - to be honest, I'm surprised they didn't cut away at that bit. The bloody Voldemort fetus is another example of something surprisingly disturbing, and Snape's death was brutally implied, if not quite as bloody as it should probably have been. And then there's the whole ten minutes of the movie where we are led to believe Harry has no choice but to die, and where he goes and is "killed" by Voldemort, which is quite harrowing and sad.

    So yeah, even though they did hold back in some of the things in Part 2, I do have to say Part 2 is still the least child-friendly, and least PG.
  • HorcruxWandererHorcruxWanderer Posts: 1,561
    edited August 2011
    Come On! Order of the Phoenix wasn't the most mature.. It was less dark than GOF, HBP, DH1 and 2 to be honest
    It definitely gave a lot of light relief to the series.. It was very refreshing especially after the dark depressing story that came before it

    The themes behind it are very mature dealing with Politics at the start.. once they're back at Hogwarts it's all very emotions and rebellion which is good don't get me wrong but its not mature in a sense that it's heavily moralistic like other films Goblet of Fire which dealt heavily on growing up and death - Order of the Phoenix only touches on these things

    @Braveheart

    I personally think that a teacher and person of authority using a child's blood and causing scarring is much more thought provoking and disturbing than some of the things that you mentioned although you have good points
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's funny, Goblet of Fire is praised by critics, loved by casual-moviegoers and many fans too.
    I wasn't aware of any hate until recently.
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  • I would have to say Goblet of Fire or Part 1 or 2. Most likely Goblet of Fire, as it was filmed ot be more of a thriller. Which it had to be since the novel was so gigantic.
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  • BraveheartBraveheart Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭
    It's funny, Goblet of Fire is praised by critics, loved by casual-moviegoers and many fans too.
    I wasn't aware of any hate until recently.
    It gets too much unwarranted hate from people jumping on the hate bandwagon. The fandom went through a similar phase with Columbus, criticising every.single.thing. about his HP movies just because he had made them. And there was also a phase where almost everyone DESPISED Gambon and just made out that every single line he said or movement he made was terrible and not like Dumbledore, simply because he was Gambon and he shouted in a scene or two in one of the movies.
  • chace483chace483 Posts: 1,026
    DH1 in my opinion is the least childish. Apart from the watered down malfoy manor scene, the rest of the film was very morbid with all the camping, godrics hollow and even hermione's torture scene alone. I even think the way the snatchers chase was done was quite artistic, you wouldn't see that in many kids films.
  • I was always under the impression OOTP was disliked by everyone.. until I came here, I don't hate any of them, I just don't watch GOF as often and is my least favourite (needless to say I watched it yesterday and it was good :P)
    I watch the Order of the Phoenix about twice a week
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's funny, Goblet of Fire is praised by critics, loved by casual-moviegoers and many fans too.
    I wasn't aware of any hate until recently.
    It gets too much unwarranted hate from people jumping on the hate bandwagon. The fandom went through a similar phase with Columbus, criticising every.single.thing. about his HP movies just because he had made them. And there was also a phase where almost everyone DESPISED Gambon and just made out that every single line he said or movement he made was terrible and not like Dumbledore, simply because he was Gambon and he shouted in a scene or two in one of the movies.
    I agree!
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It gets too much unwarranted hate from people jumping on the hate bandwagon. The fandom went through a similar phase with Columbus, criticising every.single.thing. about his HP movies just because he had made them. And there was also a phase where almost everyone DESPISED Gambon and just made out that every single line he said or movement he made was terrible and not like Dumbledore, simply because he was Gambon and he shouted in a scene or two in one of the movies.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It gets too much unwarranted hate from people jumping on the hate bandwagon. The fandom went through a similar phase with Columbus, criticising every.single.thing. about his HP movies just because he had made them. And there was also a phase where almost everyone DESPISED Gambon and just made out that every single line he said or movement he made was terrible and not like Dumbledore, simply because he was Gambon and he shouted in a scene or two in one of the movies.
    I have never seen so little explanation in my life. Ever! Is that all you do nowadays, darth? A simple 'No' is to suffice for you, now a hammer and nail.

    Lord Stafford.

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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It was a pictorial way of agreeing with his post. Sorry I didn't write a fucking thesis paper explaining why.
  • AshAsh Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm certainly not jumping on the "hate bandwagon", I despise the film and I have plenty of reasons for doing so. Not everyone has to love all of them.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It was a pictorial way of agreeing with his post. Sorry I didn't write a fucking thesis paper explaining why.
    Well, then i apologise. You can hopefully see how it can also be turned the other way round, as a way of trying to knock some sense into someone.

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  • FireflyFirefly Posts: 1,118 ✭✭✭
    I knew this thread was doomed to argument-hell. :P
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Is it? I just apologised, and no one apart from you and me has responded since.

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  • It did raise a few good points to be fair
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thank you.

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  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    I'd think GOF, OOTP, or DH Part 1.

    Mainly just because GOF is so dark visually, OOTP is so dark tonally, and DH Part 1 is a visceral mix of both.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Certainly. But with OOTP i don't feel too much, as dark as it is. Even HBP is better at that. Perhaps it's the lighting and overall colour pallete, because OOTP is bland and boring, and HBP isn't... it's dark, so as to fit within the themes.

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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    I actually think ootp is darker than hbp by alittle.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Oh, as far as themes go, perhaps. But, that might only be because of how bad an adaptation HBP was.

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  • I don't think Order of the Phoenix intends to be dark its main theme is Politics
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I would say DH2

    PS - The only dark scenes in PS are the forest and the final confrontation, and even they are solid PG.

    CoS - It's basically PS with a slight darkish tint. The Basilisk is scary at times, but the film is not 'the least pg.'

    PoA - The dementors provide the darkness is the story. It's very well balanced between dark and light, but still, not the least pg.

    GoF - I have to heavily disagree here. The only dark moments I find in GoF is the opening, the third task, and the graveyard. Other than that, there's a lot of comedy that I don't like and imo, it's more detrimental than HBP's. And the graveyard being 'the least pg' isn't for certain, as your opinion and while it's up near the top, I don't agree.

    OotP - It's dark, mature, nearly no 'let's throw a joke in here for fun' moments, and that's what I love about it. I see none of that childish or disney talk you're going on about.

    HBP - It's main tone is dark, but the romance lifts it up. You're comparing the book to the film which shouldn't be done when grading the films themselves, and I disagree that this and OotP are the lightest, by all means it's probably the first two.

    DH1 - The tone of the film is perfect, I sense the danger and all there is to come. The dance scene is one of my favorite additions in the series, so I'll respectfully disagree. After seeing Malfoy Manor tons of times now, I really don't see all too much comedy and I don't see where all the complaining comes from. What should we expect, a battle? There are only a few people there, and while I would've liked it to be longer, I think the length would work just fine in the entire Deathly Hallows. Overall, probably the second least pg (or third, ootp and dh1 could switch it up), but...

    DH2 - To me, it's an easy choice. I really wonder where that praising review of yours is Staff, because you do nothing but critique the film negatively here. You said nothing at all about the film being the least or most pg, but just commented on not being a war film, bad humor, and mark day. DH2 is quite an epic film, imo, and it is the least pg film because there's being being burned to death, pools of blood, snake attacks, dead bodies, heart breaking moments, and a dark tone that the other films can't quite match. The humor is not as much as you're making it out to be, I mean, what is there? Borgrod, 'that's nothing to go on,' boom, Neville on the bridge, hehehehehe, and that's all I can think at the current second. Not really that much. Not at all.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I don't need to mention all that you did, i only need what i said. I gave my reasons, and i do appreciate all of the things you also said.

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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    I don't think Order of the Phoenix intends to be dark its main theme is Politics
    The darkness comes from Voldemort's formidable presense, though, you don't even see him. But you know that he is there, somewhere, anywhere.

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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I actually Kind of Agree with Staffords Statements.
    There's a first. ;-)

    Lord Stafford.
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  • MacMac Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭
    I actually Kind of Agree with Staffords Statements.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @irlkg

    I'm sorry, but i in no way am trying to act like a negative person here. I'm just putting my point for each across... each with there reasons.

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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @irlkg

    I'm sorry, but i in no way am trying to act like a negative person here. I'm just putting my point for each across... each with there reasons.

    Lord Stafford.
    And that's fine, but I'd rather hear why you don't think dh2 is the least pg rather than saying stuff about the lack of battle or your opinion of Mark Day. I don't mean to call you out, I would just like to hear specific reasons from you than that.
  • MacMac Posts: 2,850 ✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    In good and bad Times Stafford Has always been spreading Negative Energy.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In good and bad Times Stafford Has always been spreading Negative Energy.
    I do alot of things, but i've never been one way or the other. I'm both perhaps, but not singular.

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  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If Half Blood Prince had been made any differently I would dis-own the Harry Potter Movies. HBP/DH1/DH2 are the three best, and on their own make my favorite trilogy in all of fiction.
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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