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Aresto Momentum in OOTP film?

halfbloodprincefilmhalfbloodprincefilm Posts: 432
edited August 2011 in General
I remember a scene in Order of the Phoenix where as Harry, Ron, Hermione, Neville, Ginny and Luna escapes from the falling orbs in the Hall of prophecies, they went to a door and fell down. Before they hit the ground, they froze in midair and landed to the ground. The fall is similar to the scene in Part 2 where Hermione uses Aresto Momentum in the Gringotts underground. Now back to that scene in OOTP, did someone use Aresto Momentum to make them freeze in midair or it's an enchantment in the Ministry of Magic?

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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it was the Ministry, though it could have been Hermione's spell from in Gringotts.

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  • in ootp it was the ministry, in gringots it was hermione prob
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    in ootp it was the ministry, in gringots it was hermione prob
    It was definetely Hermione in Gringotts, we heard her, you know.

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  • halfbloodprincefilmhalfbloodprincefilm Posts: 432
    edited August 2011
    yeah Hermione definitely used aresto momentum in gringotts

    @LCbaseball22: i agree that both scenes really looked identical!
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    maybe she used it nonverbally?
  • AbhishekAbhishek Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭✭
    I am inclined to believe that the M.O.M Scene was not due to Hermione's capabilities but the enchantment of the room.
    She definitely did not use a NV Spell. Otherwise this sentence wouldnt have made any sense in the first DADA class in HBP Book:

    "Typically, ten minutes into the lesson Hermione managed to repel Neville’s muttered Jelly-Legs Jinx without uttering a
    single word."

    She wouldnt have taken 10 minutes then, would she ????



    :-?
  • TheDoctorTheDoctor Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ^Well that quote was when they were first learning to use nonverbal spells, we know that a few weeks after that scene she was using them just fine quite frequently. But I agree that OotP was the Ministry and Gringotts was Hermione.
  • Maybe Hermione learned the spell after what happened at the Ministry.

    "It's an useful spell", she thought. HAHA
  • AbhishekAbhishek Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭✭
    By the way guys, I had a huge doubt regarding the Cave Scene in the half blood prince. (book)
    Remember what Dumbledore says while he and Harry were getting into the Boat to reach the Horcrux island ??? I will reproduce the exact text after which I shall pose the question:

    DD - ".....I rather think an enchantment will have been placed upon this boat so that only one wizard at a time will be able to sail in it."
    '‘But then –?’'
    'I do not think you will count, Harry: you are under age and unqualified. Voldemort would never have expected a sixteen-year-old to reach this place: I think it unlikely that your powers will register compared to mine.’'

    So, here we have an enchantment which fails to detect Harry's presence because of what Dumbledore says. The thing thats troubling me is that wouldnt Harry then would be able to fool the enchantment surrounding the potion and easily retrieve the Horcrux by putting his hand inside???? If the Boat enchantment didnt detect him, why should the potion one ????
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    The potion enchantment mustve been more powerful and tricky.
  • AbhishekAbhishek Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    Come on Rich. This is voldy we are talking about. Harry didnt have any damn idea that the boat was there until Dumbledore fetches it. And u are saying this enchantment was crappy ???? :-? All the enchantments were placed by Voldemort keeping an adult wizard in mind, if we believe Dumbledore. So all enchantments must have the same configuration settings right ???? :p

    Q2 - Did JKR say how dumbledore found that the boat was there ???? It was definitely much more advanced than uttering Specialis Revelio. And How did Voldemort put the potion there in the first place without anyone's aid , and managed to get out without drinking it ????
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    we all know voldy is dumb
  • AbhishekAbhishek Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭✭
  • PopkinPopkin Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, I think it was the Ministry in OotP

    And for Abhi's first question, I think the enchantment on the horcrux wouldn't simply hold depending on who was trying to retrieve it. That wouldn't make sense. It seems that it would just be a powerful enchantment that was always in force no matter who came upon it.

    And your second question, we weren't told how Dumbledore knew all of these things, but were told that it was ancient magic. He's been around a long time, so I tend to think he knew a thing or two about discovering where things were or how to get to them. Remember, Voldemort was cocky and thought no one would ever figure out his game. But we saw that Regulus did and he wasn't nearly as powerful as Dumbledore. And Voldemort didn't have to "get out" like everyone else. He controlled the enchantments and the Inferi, so he could basically do what he wanted.

    Just my offhand opinons anyways :-D
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  • AbhishekAbhishek Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭✭
    Great thoughts Popkin. This seems to be the only logical explanation. Thank you for clearing the nagging doubt. :-bd
    Though I wish more opinions are posted.
  • PopkinPopkin Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭
    It's still early...seems like more people usually get on a few hours from now
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  • AbhishekAbhishek Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭✭
    By the way, The Cave is surely one of my favorite chapters in the whole series. The rare out of Hogwarts surroundings. The classic Dumbledore lines, the haunting environment, Harry-Dumbledore interaction-both verbal and non verbal, some mind-blowing magic on showcase, Dumbledore's moments of agony, the mounting tension as the chapter goes along, and finally the fantastic action sequence at the end, followed that awesome line which concludes the chapter - "I am not worried Harry, I am with you." My god.
  • PopkinPopkin Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭
    I know! That was Dumbledore finally "passing the torch" because we've heard more than a few times people say "as long as Dumbledore's around" but finally he knew he wasn't going to be and he felt that Harry was somewhat ready to finish what needed to be done (with the help of Ron and Hermione, of course).

    It really was a magnificent chapter and moment in the whole series.
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  • AbhishekAbhishek Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 2011
    I have always loved Harry -Dumbledore conversations. It seems like Dumbledore is not only speaking to Harry, but to the readers in general. Those wonderful words of wisdom. Thats why I love The Lost Prophecy, Horcruxes, The Cave and The King's Cross. They are on a different level altogether, quality wise.

    EDIT -HBP is so full of these. One of the main saving graces of the sixth book because I didnt like the romantic subplot.Atleast not the way it was presented.
  • PopkinPopkin Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭
    I know, I love their talks, too. Or more specifically, I just love seeing what Dumbledore has to say. It drove me crazy when first reading the early books because I knew that man had so much more that he knew and had so much to say, but he wasn't there a lot and was always so secretive.

    And you're right, HBP is full of them
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  • AbhishekAbhishek Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭✭
    You know, when HBP came out I was so eager to lay my hands on it. I remember finally buying the book in the evening, and tearing the thin plastic sheet it was wrapped in with frenzy to get to the first chapter asap. Unfortunately i could only read half the book before next morning as I had my school, and one stupid person ruined it for me by letting out the secret of horcruxes and the explanation about the Back Cover of HBP UK edition. X( X(

    And needless to say, I found myself shedding tears on dumbledore's death. There were so many moments in the book foreshadowing his death. And re-reading the book gave me chills when Dumbledore said things like: "Because your blood is worth more than mine" or "I am much more cleverer, much old and much less valuable". He knew his end had come, though we didnt at that point. :-(( :-((

    The continued buckling of Dumbledore against the wall as he weakened, on top of the astronomy tower was heart-breaking. It literally symbolized his "going down", i.e., death. =(( One of the saddest moments in the entire series, because he was such a main character.
  • PopkinPopkin Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭
    I cried, too. How can you not. He was such a wonderful character :( And I hated seeing him weak and then (later on) hearing about his mistakes in his younger days, but it showed us that he was falliable just like everyone
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  • MayFruitMayFruit Posts: 333
    Reading/seeing Dumbledore's weakest moment always made me almost cry, but that's why I love these characters so much, because they're not perfect and even the greatest wizard in the world can be weak too. The line "I am not worried Harry, I am with you" gave me goosebumps.
    Accio Alan Rickman

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  • AbhishekAbhishek Posts: 4,233 ✭✭✭✭
    Yeah seriously Mayfruit. Agree with you completely. Do we have a favorite line thread in HPF ???? That line would surely be right at the top. Because its so simple and so complex at the same time.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    we all know voldy is dumb
    Only in terms of love, Richard. Only in terms of love.

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  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    They're definitely the same spell and effect; Hermione used it in Gringotts, you can hear her, but I'm sure that the one in OOTP was put there by the Ministry as a simple cushioning charm for anyone who walked through the door.
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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    DD death is the most shocking thing in the series. This and snapes revelation.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dumbledore's death isn't shocking, but rather who kills him.
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Dumbledore's death isn't shocking, but rather who kills him.
    Both are very shocking... I never imagined DD to die.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Really? From pretty much "As long as Dumbledore's around, you're safe!" and on, that old geezer was marked for certain death.
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    when i read the series i was young so i always thought dd would be there for harry forever
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The young always think and hope that way.

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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    The young always think and hope that way.

    Lord Stafford.
    Indeed
  • PopkinPopkin Posts: 2,107 ✭✭✭
    Really? From pretty much "As long as Dumbledore's around, you're safe!" and on, that old geezer was marked for certain death.
    Lol so eloquent
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Really? From pretty much "As long as Dumbledore's around, you're safe!" and on, that old geezer was marked for certain death.
    Lol so eloquent
    But so true. ;-)

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