Guys...stop getting worried over nothing. It's great that Jason can recall MOST of what he saw but i really doubt he can remember every detail on his first viewing. Also, you might not agree with his opinion that the battle was mostly cut and short. Not everyone agrees on the same point you know. Some people thought the battle was long while others thought it was shorter than expected. Just wait until you see the damn movie yourself...
Yes, this. I had high expectation going in, so maybe it was always set to somewhat fail in my eyes.
^ There you go people...stop worrying now.
Once again...i bump this so you guys can stop worrying...
~I have NOT read the Potter books, only watched the movies FYI.
The battle is a presence throughout the film, obviously, but c'mon guys, the main characters get there moments, and the movie isn't about the battle, its about Harry's journey, Horcruxes, Snape, and the death of Voldemort. It doens't bother me about the brevity of the battle.
The battle is a presence throughout the film, obviously, but c'mon guys, the main characters get there moments, and the movie isn't about the battle, its about Harry's journey, Horcruxes, Snape, and the death of Voldemort. It doens't bother me about the brevity of the battle.
The battle is a presence throughout the film, obviously, but c'mon guys, the main characters get there moments, and the movie isn't about the battle, its about Harry's journey, Horcruxes, Snape, and the death of Voldemort.
Perhaps Jason should stop answering lol, that way you guys won't get worried. It's weird...you guys want him to answer questions hoping it would get you excited yet alot of you are disappointed...just wait till you see it~!!!
~I have NOT read the Potter books, only watched the movies FYI.
Jason, what does the kings cross scene look like? A white platform with white sorroundings? Could you describe it for me? And what does Dumbledore look like in the scene?
It's like a long, wide platform(that fades into a white light/fog) with giant arch pillars that go on forever at each side. Dumbledore looks white and pure, Harry does too.
Oh! Does Harry wear his glasses on the Platform? Just curious!
Seriously in HBP they cut out the entire battle of the death eaters in the great hall (in the book there is a battle at hogwarts while DD is getting killed) and the movie was still amazing!!! im absolutely positive this movie will still be amazing.
Perhaps Jason should stop answering lol, that way you guys won't get worried. It's weird...you guys want him to answer questions hoping it would get you excited yet alot of you are disappointed...just wait till you see it~!!!
Jason, what does the kings cross scene look like? A white platform with white sorroundings? Could you describe it for me? And what does Dumbledore look like in the scene?
It's like a long, wide platform(that fades into a white light/fog) with giant arch pillars that go on forever at each side. Dumbledore looks white and pure, Harry does too.
Oh! Does Harry wear his glasses on the Platform? Just curious!
No, he doesn't. He's appears to be pure, so he has no injuries or anything unnatural(like bad eyesight).
Jason, what does the kings cross scene look like? A white platform with white sorroundings? Could you describe it for me? And what does Dumbledore look like in the scene?
It's like a long, wide platform(that fades into a white light/fog) with giant arch pillars that go on forever at each side. Dumbledore looks white and pure, Harry does too.
Oh! Does Harry wear his glasses on the Platform? Just curious!
No, he doesn't. He's appears to be pure, so he has no injuries or anything unnatural(like bad eyesight).
Woo hoo! (See? You made someone feel good with an answer! )
Well HBP was quite anti-climactic. Obviously, this won't be anti-climactic on the same scale at all, because at least we get a battle, but there was a time when they would take something written in the book and make it more exciting and thrilling. As the movies have gone on they tend to have done the opposite.
And I know the main defence in cutting the battle down is "it's about the characters", but don't forget you can get some of the best character moments set against a battlefield. Action can advance characters as long as it's not just lots of explosions. The book battle gave them SOOO much potential and breadth and scope for that, but it seems they've dropped the ball, at least where the battle is concerned.
Also, if I'd said a year ago that we'd only see a few minutes of battling I would have been absolutely ridiculed for it. Everyone here would have been saying stuff like "How could we POSSIBLY only see a few minutes of it, Yates has desribed it as a war movie! Heyman has said the battle is 45 minutes long!" You would all be quoting all these interviews that talked up the battle and saying how stupid I was for even suggesting we only see a few minutes. I merely say this as an observation of how some HP fans adapt to avoid admitting even minor disappointment
Well HBP was quite anti-climactic. Obviously, this won't be anti-climactic on the same scale at all, because at least we get a battle, but there was a time when they would take something written in the book and make it more exciting and thrilling. As the movies have gone on they tend to have done the opposite.
And I know the main defence in cutting the battle down is "it's about the characters", but don't forget you can get some of the best character moments set against a battlefield. Action can advance characters as long as it's not just lots of explosions. The book battle gave them SOOO much potential and breadth and scope for that, but it seems they've dropped the ball, at least where the battle is concerned.
Also, if I'd said a year ago that we'd only see a few minutes of battling I would have been absolutely ridiculed for it. Everyone here would have been saying stuff like "How could we POSSIBLY only see a few minutes of it, Yates has desribed it as a war movie! Heyman has said the battle is 45 minutes long!" You would all be quoting all these interviews that talked up the battle and saying how stupid I was for even suggesting we only see a few minutes. I merely say this as an observation of how some HP fans adapt to avoid admitting even minor disappointment
i will be the first to admit i was wrong you were right but 5 minutes of battle is better than zero. and its still getting rave reviews despite the absence of a battle.
Well HBP was quite anti-climactic. Obviously, this won't be anti-climactic on the same scale at all, because at least we get a battle, but there was a time when they would take something written in the book and make it more exciting and thrilling. As the movies have gone on they tend to have done the opposite.
And I know the main defence in cutting the battle down is "it's about the characters", but don't forget you can get some of the best character moments set against a battlefield. Action can advance characters as long as it's not just lots of explosions. The book battle gave them SOOO much potential and breadth and scope for that, but it seems they've dropped the ball, at least where the battle is concerned.
Also, if I'd said a year ago that we'd only see a few minutes of battling I would have been absolutely ridiculed for it. Everyone here would have been saying stuff like "How could we POSSIBLY only see a few minutes of it, Yates has desribed it as a war movie! Heyman has said the battle is 45 minutes long!" You would all be quoting all these interviews that talked up the battle and saying how stupid I was for even suggesting we only see a few minutes. I merely say this as an observation of how some HP fans adapt to avoid admitting even minor disappointment
But the best character moments in the book arent necessarily defined by rolls in the battle. The one's that are still have their moments i.e. Neville and Molly. I think whats important to remember is that the battle scene is 15 to 25 minutes or whatever but just because the battle is not being shown directly doesn't mean its not there. If it is in the background thats because we are focused on Harry/Ron/Hermione, just like in the book. The battle continues to happen in the background the entire time they are doing stuff and I think you'll get the idea. Doesn't sound too different from the way I pictured it while reading.
What more do you expect? You want to add in several more minutes of dueling and shit blowing up? Again, I'll wait to judge it until I see it but I stand by saying this film is not about the battle and reviews say it is done well.
Well HBP was quite anti-climactic. Obviously, this won't be anti-climactic on the same scale at all, because at least we get a battle, but there was a time when they would take something written in the book and make it more exciting and thrilling. As the movies have gone on they tend to have done the opposite.
And I know the main defence in cutting the battle down is "it's about the characters", but don't forget you can get some of the best character moments set against a battlefield. Action can advance characters as long as it's not just lots of explosions. The book battle gave them SOOO much potential and breadth and scope for that, but it seems they've dropped the ball, at least where the battle is concerned.
Also, if I'd said a year ago that we'd only see a few minutes of battling I would have been absolutely ridiculed for it. Everyone here would have been saying stuff like "How could we POSSIBLY only see a few minutes of it, Yates has desribed it as a war movie! Heyman has said the battle is 45 minutes long!" You would all be quoting all these interviews that talked up the battle and saying how stupid I was for even suggesting we only see a few minutes. I merely say this as an observation of how some HP fans adapt to avoid admitting even minor disappointment
i will be the first to admit i was wrong you were right but 5 minutes of battle is better than zero. and its still getting rave reviews despite the absence of a battle.
The reviews are beyond rave and don't mention any so called 'absence' of battle. Some are comparing it to LOTR which is saying something. HOPE people
Well HBP was quite anti-climactic. Obviously, this won't be anti-climactic on the same scale at all, because at least we get a battle, but there was a time when they would take something written in the book and make it more exciting and thrilling. As the movies have gone on they tend to have done the opposite.
And I know the main defence in cutting the battle down is "it's about the characters", but don't forget you can get some of the best character moments set against a battlefield. Action can advance characters as long as it's not just lots of explosions. The book battle gave them SOOO much potential and breadth and scope for that, but it seems they've dropped the ball, at least where the battle is concerned.
Also, if I'd said a year ago that we'd only see a few minutes of battling I would have been absolutely ridiculed for it. Everyone here would have been saying stuff like "How could we POSSIBLY only see a few minutes of it, Yates has desribed it as a war movie! Heyman has said the battle is 45 minutes long!" You would all be quoting all these interviews that talked up the battle and saying how stupid I was for even suggesting we only see a few minutes. I merely say this as an observation of how some HP fans adapt to avoid admitting even minor disappointment
But the best character moments in the book arent necessarily defined by rolls in the battle. The one's that are still have their moments i.e. Neville and Molly. I think whats important to remember is that the battle scene is 15 to 25 minutes or whatever but just because the battle is not being shown directly doesn't mean its not there. If it is in the background thats because we are focused on Harry/Ron/Hermione, just like in the book. The battle continues to happen in the background the entire time they are doing stuff and I think you'll get the idea. Doesn't sound too different from the way I pictured it while reading.
What more do you expect? You want to add in several more minutes of dueling and shit blowing up? Again, I'll wait to judge it until I see it but I stand by saying this film is not about the battle and reviews say it is done well.
=D> thanks logan for summing that up!!! very well done. you took the words right out of my mouth.
"I’ve not been a fan of Yates, a TV veteran who took over with episode five, but give the man credit: He more than lives up to the challenge of the memorable series ender. The acting is uniformly superb — better than in, say, “The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers” — especially Alan Rickman as the morally ambiguous Snape, who deserves an Oscar for his exemplary work here."
^ Quoted from one of the NY Critics!
Stay excited people...don't get pessimistic!
~I have NOT read the Potter books, only watched the movies FYI.
Also, if I'd said a year ago that we'd only see a few minutes of battling I would have been absolutely ridiculed for it. Everyone here would have been saying stuff like "How could we POSSIBLY only see a few minutes of it, Yates has desribed it as a war movie! Heyman has said the battle is 45 minutes long!" You would all be quoting all these interviews that talked up the battle and saying how stupid I was for even suggesting we only see a few minutes. I merely say this as an observation of how some HP fans adapt to avoid admitting even minor disappointment
They probably did film 30 minutes. It then went bye-bye because it was like watching...um....Private Ryan :-S
I would like the character moments like finally seeing Hagrid fighting and tossing Death Eaters, like (I know we don't agree on this one) seeing Fred's death onscreen so we get the immediate raw misery of the actors, like seeing little bits of most of the main characters getting a moment in the battle one last time. I'm not interested in seeing lots of faceless people battling, a few seconds of that here and there would be fine, but interspersing Harry, Ron and Hermione's journey with a good bit of seeing the other characters taking their final stand instead of it all pretty much happening offscreen. And I know you'll say ah, but that's not how it was in the book. But I think we all agree that COS stands as a testament to why sometimes adapting is needed to make things work better on the big screen. And that for me means seeing the teachers and the Order and the students we've always seen in the other movies standing up and being shown fighting and defending and sacrificing.
I would also have liked to see them include the centuars and house-elves, purely because charging centaurs and firing arrows would have been pretty damn cool. In fact, personally I would have gone further and included trolls and Inferi as well, it would bring all these creatures together for a really epic final battle.
Note that I'm not saying this should be at the expense of the trio's journey, I'm saying it should be added to supplement it. I think a nice mix between the trio and the battle would complement both sides of the story nicely actually, instead of it tipping too far in the direction of either the battle or the trio's journey. Alas, it does tip in one direction. But you can't exactly say ten minutes more would hurt the movie, could you? It's the shortest anyway, so it's not like they didn't have the time to expand on some things.
I would like the character moments like finally seeing Hagrid fighting and tossing Death Eaters, like (I know we don't agree on this one) seeing Fred's death onscreen so we get the immediate raw misery of the actors, like seeing little bits of most of the main characters getting a moment in the battle one last time. I'm not interested in seeing lots of faceless people battling, a few seconds of that here and there would be fine, but interspersing Harry, Ron and Hermione's journey with a good bit of seeing the other characters taking their final stand instead of it all pretty much happening offscreen. And I know you'll say ah, but that's not how it was in the book. But I think we all agree that COS stands as a testament to why sometimes adapting is needed to make things work better on the big screen. And that for me means seeing the teachers and the Order and the students we've always seen in the other movies standing up and being shown fighting and defending and sacrificing.
I would also have liked to see them include the centuars and house-elves, purely because charging centaurs and firing arrows would have been pretty damn cool. In fact, personally I would have gone further and included trolls and Inferi as well, it would bring all these creatures together for a really epic final battle.
Note that I'm not saying this should be at the expense of the trio's journey, I'm saying it should be added to supplement it. I think a nice mix between the trio and the battle would complement both sides of the story nicely actually, instead of it tipping too far in the direction of either the battle or the trio's journey. Alas, it does tip in one direction. But you can't exactly say ten minutes more would hurt the movie, could you? It's the shortest anyway, so it's not like they didn't have the time to expand on some things.
We could use CoS that way but we haven't seen this film so we dont know how it is going to work. We may still catch glimpses of these characters fighting anyway.
I think adding that stuff might have been a bit overwhelming and made it over the top. Especially the house elves, they are trying to build the mood of a movie and having house elves, even though they'd be fighting, might take away from the tension.
I can't say that ten minutes would have hurt it just like I can't say it would help it either because I haven't seen it. I think ten more minutes of battling may stretch it out too much but thats just my opinion.
I wouldnt mind seeing things like Hagrid going off or Flitwick and McGonagall dueling but it isn't essential to me. Everyone here that has seen it and commented said they've liked it. Critics are also very complementary and especially of the battle. More sometimes is less.
Critics are being very complimentary which is of course a good thing, but what has been noted in even some of the most positive reviews is that parts of the battle feel rushed, and in some, like the Empire review, they lament that more of the characters didn't get their own moments to shine. I mention this purely because I usually agree with Empire, at least where the HP movies are concerned. We'll just have to wait and see I suppose.
Yes, and sometimes less is more, but given that that has been Yates's approach throughout, I think that's all the more reason to go for more instead of less here. He generally has been quite restrained, and I think that only works successfully if the climax of the entire series is really big and epic. Otherwise it could come off as too understated, given how understated the previous few were.
Yeah I'm sure the battle will be just fine. And I'm very glad I didn't watch any battle clips, I want it to be whole and solid rather than bits and pieces spoiled.
Yeah I'm sure the battle will be just fine. And I'm very glad I didn't watch any battle clips, I want it to be whole and solid rather than bits and pieces spoiled.
Damn you. If I'd just known how little of the battle there was a would never have watched them...
I'm still confused over people saying the battle is about 20 minutes long but it's mostly what we've seen which is about two minutes of footage and there's not much more to it which would make the battle like 5 minutes unless they're are including non-battle stuff or is there a lot more to the scenes than what's been show and *head implodes* b-(
Yeah I'm sure the battle will be just fine. And I'm very glad I didn't watch any battle clips, I want it to be whole and solid rather than bits and pieces spoiled.
The battle is occurring in the background and there will be characters moving in and out of the battle. If the battle is happening around people it counts as battle time.
Christ! Watching people fighting becomes tedious after so long!! 5-10 mins of fighting footage is fine! It's the story that matters guys! The story takes place on this cavnas of battle! Why is that not enough for you! I'd rather have these character moments than another shot of another spell being thrown an another explosion! It sounds just enough for the story!
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And Jason; are you sure the battle is *just* what we got?!
Mysterious thing time.
Once again...i bump this so you guys can stop worrying...
~I have NOT read the Potter books, only watched the movies FYI.
the quality of it will be amazing, no doubt
its just im a a fan of minor characters- hagrid, dean seamus luna fflitwick, so i would have liked a tiny bit more with other people
Dissapointing
Wait to see it for yourself...;) Don't draw conclusions yet.
~I have NOT read the Potter books, only watched the movies FYI.
~I have NOT read the Potter books, only watched the movies FYI.
And I know the main defence in cutting the battle down is "it's about the characters", but don't forget you can get some of the best character moments set against a battlefield. Action can advance characters as long as it's not just lots of explosions. The book battle gave them SOOO much potential and breadth and scope for that, but it seems they've dropped the ball, at least where the battle is concerned.
Also, if I'd said a year ago that we'd only see a few minutes of battling I would have been absolutely ridiculed for it. Everyone here would have been saying stuff like "How could we POSSIBLY only see a few minutes of it, Yates has desribed it as a war movie! Heyman has said the battle is 45 minutes long!" You would all be quoting all these interviews that talked up the battle and saying how stupid I was for even suggesting we only see a few minutes. I merely say this as an observation of how some HP fans adapt to avoid admitting even minor disappointment
What more do you expect? You want to add in several more minutes of dueling and shit blowing up? Again, I'll wait to judge it until I see it but I stand by saying this film is not about the battle and reviews say it is done well.
Some are comparing it to LOTR which is saying something.
HOPE people
Mysterious thing time.
^ Quoted from one of the NY Critics!
Stay excited people...don't get pessimistic!
~I have NOT read the Potter books, only watched the movies FYI.
I would also have liked to see them include the centuars and house-elves, purely because charging centaurs and firing arrows would have been pretty damn cool. In fact, personally I would have gone further and included trolls and Inferi as well, it would bring all these creatures together for a really epic final battle.
Note that I'm not saying this should be at the expense of the trio's journey, I'm saying it should be added to supplement it. I think a nice mix between the trio and the battle would complement both sides of the story nicely actually, instead of it tipping too far in the direction of either the battle or the trio's journey. Alas, it does tip in one direction. But you can't exactly say ten minutes more would hurt the movie, could you? It's the shortest anyway, so it's not like they didn't have the time to expand on some things.
I think adding that stuff might have been a bit overwhelming and made it over the top. Especially the house elves, they are trying to build the mood of a movie and having house elves, even though they'd be fighting, might take away from the tension.
I can't say that ten minutes would have hurt it just like I can't say it would help it either because I haven't seen it. I think ten more minutes of battling may stretch it out too much but thats just my opinion.
I wouldnt mind seeing things like Hagrid going off or Flitwick and McGonagall dueling but it isn't essential to me. Everyone here that has seen it and commented said they've liked it. Critics are also very complementary and especially of the battle. More sometimes is less.
Yes, and sometimes less is more, but given that that has been Yates's approach throughout, I think that's all the more reason to go for more instead of less here. He generally has been quite restrained, and I think that only works successfully if the climax of the entire series is really big and epic. Otherwise it could come off as too understated, given how understated the previous few were.
do wee OOTP white smoke?
grey lady, magonagoll vs snape, cos etc
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Mysterious thing time.