Oh, for crying out loud! Don't you think it would be wise to wait until we start reading the reviews for these movies before being so pessimistic about them not having any chance for any nominations?
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I've heard comments like : JAMES CAMERON SHOULD HAVE DIRECTED THE WHOLE SERIES!! etc etc... This mentality is oviously caused by the tremendous success and technological elements that AVATAR provided. I'm just laughing my a$$ off that people are actually thinking of this. James Cameron would be an AWFUL choice for directing the series!! Yes, he made the highest-grossing films of all time, but AVATAR (the highest-grossing film of all time) was an EMPTY film. What I'm trying to say with this is that the film was amazing (one of my faves), ut it felt empty, there was no heart, not a sense of emotion and feeling. And those things are the things that EVERY HARRY POTTER film needs, and none of James' films (except TITANIC) have that. That's why he would be a terrile choice for this series. He is a great director, yes, but a HEARTLESS one.
Now, there's also been mentioning about CHRISTOPHER NOLAN. Come on you guys don't try to fool yourselves. You are just saying this because you loved THE JOKER, in TDK, not TDK, the joker. Let's be honest. He is also a great director, and I would love to see his vison trying to do this saga, but it doesn't feel right. (Same with Steven Spilberg, God!)
In my personal opinion I think that the perfect director for the whole entire series would be ALFONSO CUARON. This director really brought the series to a new level. POA wasn't great, IT WAS PERFECT, JUST A BEAUTIFUL MASTERPIECE. This director (I love the fact that he is mexican!) had a vision for HP, that made it the most memorable series EVER!!! Also 'the' David Yates that directed HBP, was EXCELLENT ... Among POA , HBP is my favorite in the whole series. It had an essence that was just MEMORABLE!
Looking at Hp from a different perspective , I think that MARTIN SCORCESSE would be an excellent optin for this series. Although it would be extremlu different from any project of his, he would provide the series with the thing that needs the most, A HEART, A SENSE OF FEELING.
James Cameron would be a horrible choice . . . and Avatar was a joke to put it mildly (other than the incredible special effects). My Avatar opinion is best summed up by this review at these two links:
I think Cameron would be gr8, but someone who would be excellent is Guillermo Del Torro! Have you seen The Devil's Backbone, or the excellent adult fairytale Pan's labyrinth! The guy's got a thing for fantasy & on top of that his movies are extremely emotional!
FYI, Pensieve seeker,I just graduated HS and Ive got that mentality and I can say wateva I want bout HP cause this is an HP forum and you know,deep down, you want James as director. Better than Yates eh? And Godric Gryffindor, Yes I like James cause he puts heart in his movies and you can sense it. Come on wen everyone was dying in avatar we got a sad track and I doubt Yates would do that. And Chris Nolan made an amazing joker and STORY! Wat has Yates done? The other directors ar
The only problem I had with Alfonso, and it is quite a large problem, was his characterisation of both Ron and Hermione. Their characterisation was WAY out, to the point of the ridiculous. I think coupled with Kloves (who we all know has his "give Hermione everyone else's lines") they would have messed up those two characters completely if given another chance. Ron isn't a whimpering, whiny idiot who agrees with Snape when he's bullying students and refuses to return to classes with Harry, and who whines about Scabbers RELENTLESSLY as though he hasn't just been listening to the whole conversation about him being an animagus, and by the same taken, Hermione isn't all "girl power" or highly vain (despairing over how her hair looks during a serious situation. Granted, a lot of the fault lies with Steve Kloves, but Alfonso seemed only to happy to let these incorrect characterisations take place. I wouldn't have bothered so much, either, if it hadn't been two of the main three actors who were portrayed so wildly wrong.
So, I'm glad at least that Yates, for the most part, seems to have a relatively firm grasp on who the characters are.
[quote=richard]FYI, Pensieve seeker,I just graduated HS and Ive got that mentality and I can say wateva I want bout HP cause this is an HP forum and you know,deep down, you want James as director. [/quote] 1. So, you admit you've got the mentality of someone in junior high. Thanks for the confirmation. 2. I do not want, nor have I ever wanted James Cameron to direct any of the Harry Potter movies. Is that clear enough for you?
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Ive got the mentality of my AGE and im not trying to be some smart ass. And I know for sure youd rather have him direct than Yates and if you dont there ar
But why pensieve seeker please give me reasons! Look I dont want to argue,I just dont know wat you got against him. If nothing,then y wouldnt he make better HP films than Yates? You obviously want good HP films so wouldnt he be better than yates???
I don't think i would want James Cameron either. I mean Titanic is a really good film, but i am not sure that Harry Potter would be the kind of thing he does. Though clearly the HP films could be a lot better then what they are. I think if all of the books in the series had been written when they started filming then the films would have been better. I think that is a lot of the reason that there are continuity problems. Also i just don't think the source material is as good as some films such as LotR. The HP books have a lot of world building problems that the films have to work around.
Well any director xcept yates would be good cause all the previous HP films were good but with yates I dont feel wat I felt with previous films so thats wat I got against him, he doesnt bring the full m
I prefer Yates to Cameron too. Yes, Cameron's films are really good but Harry Potter, I don't think, is his style. Yes, I agree that if the books were written before, then the filmmakers would have had an extreme advantage.
I have more problems with HBP, but i think that is a source material problem. The way the film could have been better would have been to cut out the stuff about Snape being the half-blood Prince. They could have then concentrated on Snape's character, maybe shown a class. Then the end wouldn't have been so anticlimactic. When Snape said he was the half-blood prince i thought who cares. I didn't really like the scene where Dumbledore's body was laying at the foot of the tower, but i think a lot of that had to do with Daniel Radcliffe being such a terrible actor. I think someone said he couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. So true and every time it is an emotional scene it is a loss because he is so terrible at those.
I actually like the scene where Dumbledore is killed though. Snape is good in it. Draco is good. Dumbledore is good enough. It is such a tense moment because Snape knows Harry is watching and won't understand what is about to happen.
I really like OotP. 'We may have a fight ahead of us, but we have something that Voldemort doesn't have.' 'What's that?' 'Something worth fighting for.'
Richard, I'm against your opinion concerning Yates but don't take it personal. I think Yates has been brilliant with Potter and you think he's been a poor director . . . again, it comes down to personal taste.
As far as James Cameron is concerned, again here are my links proving he is a HACK LOL. (Actually Hack is a strong word, honestly most of his films are good, I just can't get over Avatar)
Alright, im not taking it personal and I feel that im right about how great a director james is and he wouldve made these movies extroardinary. He wouldnt leave the HBP plotline and I thought Yates failed miserably because of that. Maybe he would IDK,but I doubt it cause he looks for perfection. And I think HBP was far better than OOTP. You know,now that I think about it,I dont think the last films ar
I think you are wrong. The last films are going to be great. Everything we have seen and we have seen a lot considering has looked great. The last two films will be a lot more intense then the last one which was it's problem i think.
People are blaming Yates for the source material. In HBP and DH, Rowling titled the books after subplots that weren't extremely significant to the overall story of Harry Vs. Voldy (for the most part). Snape being the Half Blood Prince should have been the thing cut from the film (the potions book and all that) and instead focused on the Pensieve scenes since those are more attached to the overall plot that runs through the films. However, since the book was named "Half Blood Prince" Yates and the screenwriter were pretty much painted into a corner. However, I suppose Yates could have focused more on the Snape character and less on the romantic entanglements of the trio but then it would have been pretty obvious who the Half Blood Prince was (to any film goer who hadn't read the books) and the "surprise" would have been lost . . . . even though like decarus said, many people left the theater thinking "who cares". Still overall, I personally realized a lot of this while I was watching HBP for the first time because I go into these movies knowing they HAVE to change somethings in order for it to work on screen. Lucky for me I didn't have any real problems with the HBP changes (though others do).
As far as DH is concerned, the obvious thing to cut would be the Hallows story line but since that's the title of the book we are fortunately getting two films out of it. HBP could have benefited from a two parter but so would any of the other Potter flicks other than the first 2.
What?!? Cut it out and have a movie called HP and the half-blood prince?!? That would ruin everything!!! The title would have no meaning and it'd confuse everyone! At least they said he was the HBP, but the way it happened was ugh. They shouldve explained Snapes story. Why does Yates keep making bad decisions on these films? Hell probably justention the DH like he did with OOTP and HBP wich is a big reason I dislike him.....
I think you're missing what we are saying richard, we are saying that it's not Yates fault but Rowlings for titling a book after a subplot. Now, that title is fine for the book but when you try to make a movie in a series and it's name is based on a subplot . .. you make it REALLY hard for the screenwriter and director
That is, of course, why they did not cut out the stuff about the half-blood prince because that was the name of the book. The thing is what is interesting about the book is the memories about Voldemort and learning about the objects that disappeared around him. Learning about how Dumbledore found out about these objects and passing this information on to Harry and learning about how many horcruxes there were. They had to spend too many scenes though on this book that was irrelevant to the greater storyline of the series. I just think it could have been a better film if that had not been the title of the book.
I do think they made a mistake in adding the burrow attack only because i am not sure the scene makes sense. I just still am not sure what the death eaters agenda was for attacking the burrow. Were they trying to kill Harry? Were they just attacking the burrow because they knew that Harry was there and the Weasley's were against Voldemort? I just don't really get it and maybe i don't really accept they were bored so they thought they would try and blow something up. I think the battle at the school made a lot more sense because their goal there was to kill Dumbledore which they succeeded in doing so.
I think somone said that the plan was to capture Harry and bring him to Voldemort, but not on Voldemort's orders. I guess that Bellatrix and co saw the Burrow as a random wooden house and just for a bit of fun wanted to torture the people inside. Then they saw that Harry was there with the Weasleys and so made a quick plan to take him to Voldy by leading him into the reeds. Of course, the plan was foiled by the order. That's what I think. Still it is a bit pointless.
Yeah,the burrow attack was pointless,they say they wanted to add action and suspense,but they failed cause it could been better. The battle at the end wouldve been great and it's a big reason why I was dissapointed. Id rather have the fight than the funeral considering they talk alot in the film. And yes if that wasnt the name theyd cut the HBP Stuff out and I like the idea of the textbook cause it reminds us were still in a school setting. Oh and isnt anyone upset they dont take points from houses anymore in the movies?!?
I personally liked Half-Blood Prince. I think Dan is a really good actor and showed off his best scenes (Felix Felicis) here. But I also agree with the person who said that when he does emotional scenes, its not quite a highlight. The two times where we've seen him cry (HBP with Dumbledore at the foot of the tower, PoA under the invisibility cloak in Hogsmeade) he hasn't been exactly fantastic, and I hope he steps it up a notch for DH.
I'm glad they used the HBP plot, or else nothing would've made sense. It made for a great subplot to the eerie pensieve scenes. And yes it did sort of introduce a textbook/schooly type feel, which I haven't really seen since GoF.
Yeah,I like the title cause before the book Came out youre like WTF? Wats the half blood prince? And then it ends up being Snape! Yeah,and I think the worst title is OOTP cause it's too long...
I think Cameron would be great.......but he would never do the films...........Cameron likes to create his own stories and ideas...........and to dashape80 and his Avatar comment........he said Avatar was a joke!.......you kidding me..............NUMBER 1 ALL TIME BOX OFFICE!!!......read that and get that through your uneducated skull.....and if Cameron happened to do the last 2 HP films............hell yeah it would get nominated.......but he would never do it............
But Guillermo del Toro..........if he was asked to do it.......I am damn sure he would have said YES!..........he is great at developing stories and characters........awesome at visuals.........and loves this type of stuff..........it would have been for sure OSCAR worthy if Del Toro would have done both the DH films..............Del Toro would be trusted to do it right and the fans will love it and the new audience would come to love the HP series.......
As for Yates...........I said it before.........Yates will not win or get nominated for an Academy Award..........he does not have what it takes......OOTP, HBP, and both of the DH films has the wrong director........PERIOD.
lupinshowl, my opinion of not liking Avatar makes me uneducated? How so? Me not liking something means I'm uneducated? Having a personal taste means I'm not educated? . . . say I don't like to eat broccoli and think it tastes terrible but you like it . . .does that mean I'm uneducated too? Just because a movie is number one in the box office doesn't mean I have to like it does it? It's my opinion and I'm completely entitled to it. I've not made one single insult or nasty comment to anyone who disagrees with me . . . I've Just said my opinion. Oh and Cameron likes to create his own stories and ideas . . . . Maybe with some of his films but I'm pretty sure the story about the Boat sinking (besides the romance) isn't original and the Aliens sequel idea was riding on Ridley Scott's original film. Just saying.
As far as Avatar is concerned, it was only the number one movie in the box office due to it's overly inflated 3D ticket cost. (same reason why Alice in Wonderland is doing so well). Sure they would have still done ok without the inflated ticket prices but not NEARLY as good. Again, original story . . . ever see "Dances with Wolves" or Disney's "Pocahontas"? I'm not saying it's wrong of anyone to like Avatar, I just think it was a joke.
Oh, and since you are going by box office number . . . ever notice that HBP is the second highest grossing Potter flick in the U.S. domestically? By those numbers and your logic they should keep Yates for DH.
First off,Avatar is no joke dashape 80,I really enjoyed the movie but youre entitled to think wat u want. And HP only does well in the box office cause of the great story,and other directors couldve done better so mor
Thanks richard. All I want is for some people to understand that just because somebody disagrees with another doesn't mean they have to get all upset about it. So what if I hate Avatar and give reasons? If you like it and disagree with me give your reasons, simple as that. I don't think any less of somebody if they like something I don't. I like HBP and Yates and I'll give defensive reasons at times . . . and plenty of people on here hate Yates and give their reasons. Saying things like, "get it through your uneducated skull" is just rude and uncalled for unless I attacked someone first (and if I did by all means let me know and I can apologize).
Also richard, you're just speculating about HBP doing betting in the box office with a different director because nobody knows what would have happened for sure. Maybe it would have and maybe it wouldn't have . . . we'll never know.
Yeah,youre right dashape,and sometimes I may offend someone wich is why I think hard before commenting,but yeah,we all have different likes and dislikes and we gotta xcept that....
Oops!.......my bad dashape80......didn't mean to offend you there.....really......I am sorry........I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion........but what I meant when I said uneducated was.......in the film world......Cameron would have been great because of his stature.........he is an Academy Award target.........you throw in Harry Potter and James Cameron together and you get Oscar talks........simple as that.......I could debate with you all day about Avatar but as we all already know........this is Harry Potters place........
Also....you mentioned ticket sales.........and the inflated 3D ticket cost......no one in Hollywood gives a damn about how many tickets they sold........all they care about is how much the films are going to gross.......Gone with the Wind has more ticket sales......but no one gives a damn........all you see at the top of the list is $$$$$$$$$ Cha Ching.......and also.......HBP would've made more money and sold more if the director did a better job..........due to its lack of action..........and if your gonna fight back and say that it is because HBP was PG.......then well..........HBP should've been PG-13......from GOF and up......the entire series from then on should have been PG-13..........C'mon Heyman and Yates you idiots.........which child under the age of 13 goes to the movies by themselves?........You're making a movie about teenage witches and wizards........and it's going to be PG......WTF you idiots......Make it PG-13......have the action and everyone will shut the f#ck up!.........GOF and OOTP was PG-13 and WTF HBP a more grown up book and more grown up part of the characters lives........and oh......you decide to make it PG.....so you have to limit the action.......I think that was Yates excuse because the guy didn't know how to pull off members of the order VS the members of the deatheaters......in OOTP it was quick in and out......bye bye Sirius.........the fight with Albus and Volde was good..........and in HBP they should've topped it.........and in DH they would have to really top HBP..........
You gotta always make it better and better.......and Yates is not the man to do that...........
[quote=dashape80]Also richard, you're just speculating about HBP doing betting in the box office with a different director because nobody knows what would have happened for sure. Maybe it would have and maybe it wouldn't have . . . we'll never know. [/quote]
And uhm............yeah we know for sure it would have done a whole lot better in the box office...........under a different director.........4444SURE!!!!!!!!
Yeah,from GOF and up they shoulda been pg13!!! WTF? And youre right on that one lupinshowl,Yates is not the man to make them better and better he just makes em. And if another director took in charge and he was better than Yates theyd do a better Job at the box office cause theyll make the movie better by following the book and improving the actors wich would make people talk and mor
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Pottermore user name: SilverQuest212
Pottermore user name: SilverQuest212
I've heard comments like : JAMES CAMERON SHOULD HAVE DIRECTED THE WHOLE SERIES!! etc etc...
This mentality is oviously caused by the tremendous success and technological elements that AVATAR provided.
I'm just laughing my a$$ off that people are actually thinking of this. James Cameron would be an AWFUL choice for directing the series!!
Yes, he made the highest-grossing films of all time, but AVATAR (the highest-grossing film of all time) was an EMPTY film. What I'm trying to say with this is that the film was amazing (one of my faves), ut it felt empty, there was no heart, not a sense of emotion and feeling. And those things are the things that EVERY HARRY POTTER film needs, and none of James' films (except TITANIC) have that. That's why he would be a terrile choice for this series. He is a great director, yes, but a HEARTLESS one.
Now, there's also been mentioning about CHRISTOPHER NOLAN. Come on you guys don't try to fool yourselves. You are just saying this because you loved THE JOKER, in TDK, not TDK, the joker. Let's be honest. He is also a great director, and I would love to see his vison trying to do this saga, but it doesn't feel right. (Same with Steven Spilberg, God!)
In my personal opinion I think that the perfect director for the whole entire series would be ALFONSO CUARON. This director really brought the series to a new level. POA wasn't great, IT WAS PERFECT, JUST A BEAUTIFUL MASTERPIECE. This director (I love the fact that he is mexican!) had a vision for HP, that made it the most memorable series EVER!!! Also 'the' David Yates that directed HBP, was EXCELLENT ... Among POA , HBP is my favorite in the whole series. It had an essence that was just MEMORABLE!
Looking at Hp from a different perspective , I think that MARTIN SCORCESSE would be an excellent optin for this series. Although it would be extremlu different from any project of his, he would provide the series with the thing that needs the most, A HEART, A SENSE OF FEELING.
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(I completely agree with this guy)
So, I'm glad at least that Yates, for the most part, seems to have a relatively firm grasp on who the characters are.
1. So, you admit you've got the mentality of someone in junior high. Thanks for the confirmation.
2. I do not want, nor have I ever wanted James Cameron to direct any of the Harry Potter movies. Is that clear enough for you?
Pottermore user name: SilverQuest212
Pottermore user name: SilverQuest212
I have more problems with HBP, but i think that is a source material problem. The way the film could have been better would have been to cut out the stuff about Snape being the half-blood Prince. They could have then concentrated on Snape's character, maybe shown a class. Then the end wouldn't have been so anticlimactic. When Snape said he was the half-blood prince i thought who cares. I didn't really like the scene where Dumbledore's body was laying at the foot of the tower, but i think a lot of that had to do with Daniel Radcliffe being such a terrible actor. I think someone said he couldn't act his way out of a paper bag. So true and every time it is an emotional scene it is a loss because he is so terrible at those.
I actually like the scene where Dumbledore is killed though. Snape is good in it. Draco is good. Dumbledore is good enough. It is such a tense moment because Snape knows Harry is watching and won't understand what is about to happen.
I really like OotP. 'We may have a fight ahead of us, but we have something that Voldemort doesn't have.' 'What's that?' 'Something worth fighting for.'
As far as James Cameron is concerned, again here are my links proving he is a HACK LOL. (Actually Hack is a strong word, honestly most of his films are good, I just can't get over Avatar)
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People are blaming Yates for the source material. In HBP and DH, Rowling titled the books after subplots that weren't extremely significant to the overall story of Harry Vs. Voldy (for the most part). Snape being the Half Blood Prince should have been the thing cut from the film (the potions book and all that) and instead focused on the Pensieve scenes since those are more attached to the overall plot that runs through the films. However, since the book was named "Half Blood Prince" Yates and the screenwriter were pretty much painted into a corner. However, I suppose Yates could have focused more on the Snape character and less on the romantic entanglements of the trio but then it would have been pretty obvious who the Half Blood Prince was (to any film goer who hadn't read the books) and the "surprise" would have been lost . . . . even though like decarus said, many people left the theater thinking "who cares". Still overall, I personally realized a lot of this while I was watching HBP for the first time because I go into these movies knowing they HAVE to change somethings in order for it to work on screen. Lucky for me I didn't have any real problems with the HBP changes (though others do).
As far as DH is concerned, the obvious thing to cut would be the Hallows story line but since that's the title of the book we are fortunately getting two films out of it. HBP could have benefited from a two parter but so would any of the other Potter flicks other than the first 2.
I do think they made a mistake in adding the burrow attack only because i am not sure the scene makes sense. I just still am not sure what the death eaters agenda was for attacking the burrow. Were they trying to kill Harry? Were they just attacking the burrow because they knew that Harry was there and the Weasley's were against Voldemort? I just don't really get it and maybe i don't really accept they were bored so they thought they would try and blow something up. I think the battle at the school made a lot more sense because their goal there was to kill Dumbledore which they succeeded in doing so.
I'm glad they used the HBP plot, or else nothing would've made sense. It made for a great subplot to the eerie pensieve scenes. And yes it did sort of introduce a textbook/schooly type feel, which I haven't really seen since GoF.
But Guillermo del Toro..........if he was asked to do it.......I am damn sure he would have said YES!..........he is great at developing stories and characters........awesome at visuals.........and loves this type of stuff..........it would have been for sure OSCAR worthy if Del Toro would have done both the DH films..............Del Toro would be trusted to do it right and the fans will love it and the new audience would come to love the HP series.......
As for Yates...........I said it before.........Yates will not win or get nominated for an Academy Award..........he does not have what it takes......OOTP, HBP, and both of the DH films has the wrong director........PERIOD.
As far as Avatar is concerned, it was only the number one movie in the box office due to it's overly inflated 3D ticket cost. (same reason why Alice in Wonderland is doing so well). Sure they would have still done ok without the inflated ticket prices but not NEARLY as good. Again, original story . . . ever see "Dances with Wolves" or Disney's "Pocahontas"? I'm not saying it's wrong of anyone to like Avatar, I just think it was a joke.
Oh, and since you are going by box office number . . . ever notice that HBP is the second highest grossing Potter flick in the U.S. domestically? By those numbers and your logic they should keep Yates for DH.
Also richard, you're just speculating about HBP doing betting in the box office with a different director because nobody knows what would have happened for sure. Maybe it would have and maybe it wouldn't have . . . we'll never know.
Also....you mentioned ticket sales.........and the inflated 3D ticket cost......no one in Hollywood gives a damn about how many tickets they sold........all they care about is how much the films are going to gross.......Gone with the Wind has more ticket sales......but no one gives a damn........all you see at the top of the list is $$$$$$$$$ Cha Ching.......and also.......HBP would've made more money and sold more if the director did a better job..........due to its lack of action..........and if your gonna fight back and say that it is because HBP was PG.......then well..........HBP should've been PG-13......from GOF and up......the entire series from then on should have been PG-13..........C'mon Heyman and Yates you idiots.........which child under the age of 13 goes to the movies by themselves?........You're making a movie about teenage witches and wizards........and it's going to be PG......WTF you idiots......Make it PG-13......have the action and everyone will shut the f#ck up!.........GOF and OOTP was PG-13 and WTF HBP a more grown up book and more grown up part of the characters lives........and oh......you decide to make it PG.....so you have to limit the action.......I think that was Yates excuse because the guy didn't know how to pull off members of the order VS the members of the deatheaters......in OOTP it was quick in and out......bye bye Sirius.........the fight with Albus and Volde was good..........and in HBP they should've topped it.........and in DH they would have to really top HBP..........
You gotta always make it better and better.......and Yates is not the man to do that...........
And uhm............yeah we know for sure it would have done a whole lot better in the box office...........under a different director.........4444SURE!!!!!!!!