Not sure about this new trailer thing

Timid-lion · March 2010

I don't like some of the stuff people have mentioned like the qudditch pitch burning down. why add that? it's the burrow attack all over again! pointless eye-candy. And why have Voldemort looking for Harry in the forest??? in the book harry was supposed to accept death and go to him? Are Yates and Kloves too thick to understand that? Also Hermione flying on a broomstick? She was rubbish at flying in the book so why change it? So Kloves can make her a perfect warrior princess? Ugh no doubt at the expense of Rons character. Also what is with the cheesy dialouge? "I have something worth living for" argh can't Kloves stick to the original work?? Rowling did it perfectly, no need to mess with it. I hate it when they had pointless stuff to the movies that only drag it down.

rabastan · March 2010

Hermione flies on a broomstick. With Ron. At room of requirements, with the lost diadem and when the fiendfyre thing happens.

AJD1984 · March 2010

Timid-lion you are forgetting that JK Rowling has to approve the screenplay before they actually shoot the film. If JK thinks its great then you should too.

AJD1984 · March 2010

Also I think the Quidditch Pitch burning will be great. Why not have it burning? Movies are different mediums than books. If we were to stick with the book then the battle would be very, very short.

UniversHarryPotter.c · March 2010

There is an battle in Hogwarts so it's normal to see the Quidditch pitch in fire no ? The Death Eater will make all the mad they can now they can enter in Hogwarts

And for Hermione on broom : JK never write that hermione could'nt fly on broom just she not good for that ! So if she save herself from Room of Requierment in broom never mind !

And remember that the report are for something people see just once and from something really fast so stop judging without have see yourself !

decarus · March 2010

I am going to have to disagree with we should like the script because JKR approves it. First of all i am not convinced that she approves it. She has given up that right. Second if something is good, it's good. Whether someone else thinks it's good, even the author of the original text, is not relevant.

Though back to the descriptions. I think everything sounds great. I actually always thought it was slightly ridiculous that three people were on a broom together in the Room of Hidden Things. That has always sounded crazy to me.

I don't mind the quidditch pitch being on fire. Sounds reasonable.

eeyore97106 · March 2010

I wouldn't say that burning down the pitch is the same as burning down the burrow. The burrow scene was 100% made up, but in the books we know that a lot of damage is done all over the school. I don't remember any mention of the pitch, so for all we know it could have been burned down (correct me if I'm mistaken though). I kind of think its a good idea for the movie. The pitch has been an iconic image in most of the films, so by showing it burning, it will really drive home the devastation of the battle and it's impact on the school, much like the great hall. Plus there are no more quiddich games so no more use for it, unlike the burrow. Now they are going to have to explain the rebuiling of the burrow for the wedding, not to mention won't all of their belongings (clothes/furniture) have been destroyed? The Weasleys can't exactly afford buying all new stuff....guess Mrs. Weasley will be knitting like crazy during the summer lol.

I hadn't heard that Voldemort would be searching for Harry in the forest, but if that part is true the I wouldn't worry about it, because there is an interview with Daniel Radcliffe where he talks about shooting the scene with his parents, Sirius and Lupin in the forest after he has accepted death and everything, so that should still be like the book.

I also heard about Hermione flying on a broom herself in the room of requirement, which kinda bummed me out lol. Her flying on her own isn't so bad, cause like Univers said, she can fly just not well. But because it would have been cute to see Hermione clinging to Ron on the broom (for us Ron/Hermione fans anyway). I agree with decarus though, in the book I thought it was so weird having three people flying on one broom, especially when one of them is unconcious. Brooms look uncomfortable enough lol.

Of course we don't know whats just a rumour until the trailer/film is released so maybe it wont be so bad afterall.

Richard · March 2010

I'd like to see Hermione on a broomstick,we've seen almost every character on one.And the quidditch pitch on fire will definitely give me goosebumps!I think they will show the death eaters in smoke bringing it down!

Timid-lion · March 2010

HBP and OOTP have been my two least faves of the series. normally i wouldn't mind changes that much but some of what Yates has done have been terrible. The Attack on the Burrow is the perfect example of that: stupid, pointless, illogical. it was eye-candy for people and it was far, far from well done. 5 minutes of absolutely nothing and then they just blow up the damn house which means we have to take time from the next damn film to explain how the burrow has been fixed and why they are still living there when it is so easy to attack. The Qudditch pitch is in the same boat, it feels like its going to be another mind-numbingly dull scene which takes away from the important part. the characters we care for are inside the castle so why do we need to watch something far removed from the actual battlefield burn down? The Hermione thing annoys me because once again they are trying to make her out to be an all-knowing, all skilled flawless individual.

Yates has a golden opportunity to fix the series and put the Potter films in a rightful place. OOTP was complete crap. There was no emotion, no suspense the whole movie looked flat and lifeless - Sirius' death was an afterthought. EVEN Dumbledore's death was treated as though it was meaningless and insignificant - in the book it was a huge deal the entire wizard world changed in the movie, however, it was nothing but a 2 minute goodbye and everything returns to normal. I can see Yates treating Fred and Mad-Eye and Dobby in the exact same fashion, a quick death, little to no emotional send-off and then they are totally forgotten about. HBP was unengaging to say the least - it dragged on and on never attempting to make the viewer care for what was happening on screen. My biggest worry of all is that the series will not be given a grand ending which will make people remember it for years but instead remain underwhelming and extremely "meh". Just like how Yates totally scaled down the final Ministry fight, it was tiny. The chase in the prophecy room consisted of about 5 spells being fired. He actually cut out the chaotic attack in Hogwarts and he shoved in a scene where NOTHING actually happened. He's worked hard to take a good series of movies and mutilate them.

There is no depth, no emotion, substance, excitement, thrill, magic, terror or care in the Yates films. Instead we a treated to lifeless, uninteresting, distant, simplistic, watered down retellings of the books. The fact that he has no idea what to cut or keep plays into this and when he adds his own shit it just makes everything a lot worse. I mean even visually his films are a massive let down the lighting is always too dark its almost impossible to tell what the hell is happening in some scenes (Hall of Prophecies), his style is extremely bland as well there's so many generic basic bread and butter shots he never takes any risks. His editing is a disaster as well, there a a billion errors scenes jump about with absolutely no transition the pacing is always off. The only good thing is we've ditched that hack composer and actually I can see DH 1 being like New Moon - a poor film with a nice score. Because lets face it Yates is on the same leve the Weitz, a hack director who takes a story and makes a turd of it - OOTP/HBP are on par with what that other fool did with the golden compass. Although Weitz did get good effects Yates' look like PS2 game.

Another major problem with Yates is how childish his movies actually are. HBP got a "pg" for a reason. It was very, very kid friendly. There was no threat. Compare the maturity, fear and inteseity of the maze with the Inferi. The maze kept you on the edge of the seat, heart beating like a drum Ther inferi could have been shown in the Land Before Time. Remember how well done the Graveyard was? It was emotional, scary, intense, exciting and beautiful. The Cave had none of this instead it was dull, emotionless, jumpy, incoherent and at time downright laughable. Will DH be any better? I doubt it. The darkest book reduced to nothing but COS-level terror.

So yeah, you can see how hearing all these "neat" new changes bother me because every other change that man has brought has been a downright failure. If Cuaron or Newell had finished off the series it would be hitting all kinds of greatness, now it'll just sit in mediocrity.

ShannonSnape · March 2010

You, sir, are an idiot. Yates is the best director for the HP series. He focuses more on the characters and the acting than on the effects, which, IMO, have still been fantastic. He was the only director who got me to care for Michael Gambon as Dumbledore. When Cuaron and Newell directed him, I couldn't have cared less about him, so I was worried that his death wouldn't affect me in the least. Thankfully, Yates made me care about him, so when he died, I cared.

You're doing nothing but pointless bitching and nitpicking. "OMG, it's different from the book." When, if you actually have read the damn books, Yates has yet to cut out a single important element from the books, and he's stayed a hell of a lot more faithful to both the spirit of the book and the written element of the books than Cuaron and especially Newell did.

You're acting like the Quidditch pitch burning down is going to be a huge scene. It's possible, but from what it sounds like, it'll just be a quick scene, but even if it isn't, who cares? One of the things you're bitching about is the lack of seriousness in Yates' films. Showing the Quidditch pitch burning down adds seriousness to the battle, yet you bitch about that, too. Hypocritical, much?

It's fine to express your opinion. But expressing your opinion as fact, such as stating it as fact that Yates is a hack or his films suck, makes you look like an idiot, and a fool, and it's people like you that give the HP films a bad name and why people like me can't sit down and just enjoy the damn movie in theaters cause people are doing nothing but bitching how certain parts of the film are different from the book because they don't understand how an adaptation works.

thisishogwarts · March 2010

^^^I agree with Shannon 100%. You actually think Columbus' films had development? He was a hack and will be considered a hack.

And look: Peter Jackson cut out ALOT of backstory/info from LOTR, and even with the extended editions, people still didn't complain as much as HP fans do.

GodricGryffindor · March 2010

Good One ShannonSnape!!!!

I agree with you, and I personally think HBP was amazingly executed. It wasn´t so hard. (THAT´S WHAT SHE SAID)

tarantello · March 2010

i agree with Timid-lion... he'd killed ootp, hpb... there are only illogical pink tear-snot of stupid teenagers which don't care about death of intimate person, about his safety, who easily can go on the date after that...
and audience eat this... that's a pity...

tarantello · March 2010

to ShannonSnape:
it's very reasonableness to call a people an idiot because he has his own mind...

and this is our legacy...

thisishogwarts · March 2010

Yates has brought us the best acting, the best look/feel, and the most magic then anyone of the series. Although IMO Cuaron was the best director, Yates comes in a very close 2nd place. He is the perfect fit for the ending of the HP series, much better then Newell and that hack Columbus.

Also, he is the only director to come back to the films after Columbus left. Cuaron left for bigger things, Newell I believe didn't want to make another one, and Yates said yes to make HBP and look how amazing that did. No, their not perfect films for HP, but their above the rest in terms of quanity over quality.

Timid-lion · March 2010

Right so I'm a moron because I don't love the films just cause they have HP stamped on them. He focouses on characters more? Which is why Voldemort was nothing but a boogie-man in phoenix running around with his tongue hanging out. Umbridge was also very cartoonish just like Bellatrix. And claim he has improved the actors all you want the lead trio still struggle to pull of most of the deeper, darker moments.I didn't realize pointing out his lacklustre visual style, atrocious editing and dull direction is pointless bitching about book changes. My point was the changes he's made have all had a negative effect on the films you can't honestly tell me that cutting out half the HBP climax wasn't a mistake? it was so anticlimatic. like I said before - an plodding, dull film that made no attempts to engage the viewer. The lack of maturity in his films in AN issue. without the suspense and terror the bad guys have no effect on the viewer. The death eaters should be brutal and dangerous. instead having tDhem no even attempt to hurt Harry and Ginny was downright dumb and the fact that not a single person died on the bridge assault that pretty much proves he's trying to keep them in COS kid friendly land. He doesn't think this series is complex enough for a mature auidence he doesn't want them to grow or develop.

I find his films very amateurish, OOTP didn't even feel cinematic - because Yates has no vision. Take a look at the Dumbledore/Voldemort duel there was no rhythm or pace or build up or intensity to it. It was just a bunch of spells cast and then it was over. Even Dumbledore's escape from Hogwarts was a blink-and-you'll miss it moment. Imagine what Cuaron or Newell could have done with those and you'll realize how poor a job Yates is currently doing. Can you honestly watch the Ministry battle or the Burrow fight and tell me you can see the 7 Potters or the Battle of Hogwarts turning out to be epic, unforgettable moments or uninteresting, poorly constructed messes? I am not looking forward to the hallows films and nothing I've heard or seen has been able to changr my mind. The preview bored me and the snatcher chase scenes looks terrible.

Timid-lion · March 2010

Also you say he has cut nothing vital out? Tom Riddle's memories were pretty damn important to the understanding of his character and the development of Harry's mission yet Yates cut these to gives us qudditch, kissing and useless banter. Come on the man cannot tell a stort AT ALL. Columbus may not be the most great director but he can tell a good story, Cuaron did superb and Newell did as well. Yates films are disjointed things are left out and added in which mess the entire flow of the story. The exclusion on the hogwarts battle is one of the biggest mistakes in the films so far, instead of getting to see how ruthless and evil these people are we get to see 4 of them turn up and do nothing. What was the point of even fixing the cabinet? And why did Yates completely ignore the title of the film? He didn't even bother to flesh out the prince storyline - Imagine is this is the case with the hallows. Even in the 5th installment the OOTP were barley featured, weren't even given a proper introduction and explanation. Not to mention he doesn't actually bother to introduce his friggin characters properly. Who is Tonks? Kingsley? Greyback? Lavender? Cormac?

UniversHarryPotter.c · March 2010

How from an trailer you have coming to arguing about HBP Oo

YodatheHobbit · March 2010

I don't usually speak this frankly and loudly online because I know it's frowned upon, but this type of complaining based on such little info is getting so extremely ridiculous.

"I don't like some of the stuff people have mentioned like the qudditch pitch burning down. why add that? it's the burrow attack all over again! pointless eye-candy. And why have Voldemort looking for Harry in the forest??? in the book harry was supposed to accept death and go to him?"

EVERYWHERE IN THE BOOK HOGWARTS IS BURNING! OF COURSE THE QUIDDITH PITCH WILL BE INCLUDED IN THAT!

HARRY is GOING TO HIM!!!!! HAVE YOU NO SENSE AT ALL? VOLDEMORT LOOKING FOR HARRY IS ONLY A NON-BOOK READERS INTERPRETATION OF WHAT HE SEEING. HOW WOULD HIM LOOKING FOR HARRY AND WAITING FOR HARRY IN THE FOREST ON SCREEN LOOK ANY DIFFERENT!? NOT TO MENTION THAT FACT THAT IN THE BOOK VOLDEMORT DOES SEND DEATHEATERS OUT INTO THE FOREST TO LOOK FOR HARRY AND HARRY SEES AND HEARS THEM TALKING.

ALSO FOR CHRISTS SAKES ITS NOT A TRAILER ANYTHING. IT WAS FOOTAGE.

Sorry, don't usually type in all caps with such simplistic sentences, but these complete non-complaints lack so much common sense it required it.

And please keep the discussion to the topic you yourself created instead on going on another not well thought about, unoriginal, mega complaint rant every other nit-picky person who doesn't understand that films are an adaptation goes on. It's been discussed endlessly and it's argument is simply not relevant. There is no point in you saying these things. THE FILMS ARE NOT THE BOOKS. THEY ARE NOT INTENDED TO BE THE BOOKS. SOME PEOPLE LOVE THESE FILMS BEFORE READING THE BOOKS, SO DON'T DRAG US DOWN! IT"S SO BORING AND DEPRESSING!

tarantello · March 2010

YodatheHobbit, Cuaron had cut the 3rd book, there were a lot of differences, and film was brilliant...

and after watching yates film I can arrive at only one conclusion. The death of the closest people (f.e., Cedrik, Sirius, Dumbledore) has a big and positive impact on the pubertal hypersexuality of teenagers...

GodricGryffindor · March 2010

Timid-lion, if you hate these movies so much, WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD YOU BE COMMENTING HERE?

BTW, I agree a 100 percent with YodatheHobbit.

AJD1984 · March 2010

I have to agree with GodricGryffindor.

Timid-lion if you HATE David Yates that much then WHY THE HELL WATCH HIS MOVIES.

Your just looking for an argument and quite frankly its pretty sad.

UniversHarryPotter.c · March 2010

Can you please remember that cut aren't due to Yates but to the WRITER
So if you don't like the movie because there are cut, change etc.. it's beacause you do'nt like the WRITER work not the director's one
And why people want everybody will agreee with everybody
There are people who like the adaptation and there are not !

thisishogwarts · March 2010

Also going along with UniversalHP said, David Yates said he shot a 3 hour OoTP, which included alot more deapth and information, but WB cut it down to 138 minutes. So the UE's of OoTP could have 45 minutes put back into it.

And I agree with AJD. If you hate Yates, good for you. Most here love him/like him and like/love his movies of HP.

GodricGryffindor · March 2010

I hope thisishogwarts is right!! I would love to see a 3 hour long OOTP!!
come soon ultimate edition!

thisishogwarts, are u sure about this?

thisishogwarts · March 2010

Yep, its mostly true. WB rumored a 3 hour cut then cut it down, so its not Mark Day, the editor of OoTP and HBP's, or David Yates' fault. We only got to see a fraction of what OoTP was. David himself said he shot 3 hours but WB told him to cut it down.

Scenes that were proven to be filmed and edited but never in the film:

-extended battle with the brain room and more duels.
-Hagrid battle with Aurors.
-More O.W.L.S scenes.
-Harry throwing stuff around DD office before DD calming him down.
-Lupin and Sirius discuss Harry's dad and Snape.
-A FULL scene of Snape's Worst Memory, including a scene with Lily.
-Harry and D.A plotting to get into Umbridge's office (thats why you see Draco carry in Neville, Ginny, and Luna at a akward time since they had no part of it in the movie)
-The swamp scene.
-Harry reflecting more on Sirius after he gets back to hogwarts.
-ALOT more time with Krether.
-And I believe Lily talking to Harry when he is posessed.

decarus · March 2010

Okay, in the descriptions of the footage from the forest confrontation some of them say that Voldemort is walking towards Harry. All that really means is that they saw a shot of Voldemort walking in the forest followed by his death eaters. They also saw a shot of Harry looking looking frightened or nervous. They saw a shot or heard Voldemort saying 'the boy who lived...come to die'. They saw a shot where Voldemort flicked his wand. That is what we know.

This doesn't mean that Voldemort comes to Harry. It means that there is a shot of Voldemort walking in the woods followed by his death eaters. This shot could have taken place after Harry 'died' while they are all leaving the forest. We can't know for certain. What we do know is that when they show footage or trailers they are always fast and lose with the editing, so it is very likely that the two shots are not connected exactly as they would be in the film. They could easily be from different scenes in the film. It is even harder to tell those things with the adults because they always wear the same outfits.

I am just saying we shouldn't freak out about that. We don't know enough. We didn't even see the footage ourselves. I know that i am not worried about this. There has been plenty of evidence that the forest walk with Harry and the four 'ghosts' will take place, so no worries.

GodricGryffindor · March 2010

thisishogwarts THAT IS GREAT, U R AWESOME!!

I actually saw a lot of potential in OOTP, JK Rowling herself saud that it was the best until that point, and with this extended cut I am sure it will get a lot better!!

Not sure about this new trailer thing

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