JKR considered killing ron..

Festax0333

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XDMorsmordreXD

This interview is the prime reason I'm purchasing the Blu-Ray!
But wow, I can't believe this. He's a favorite of the fan base, I see why she didn't carry this through.

yonythemoony

Kloves's dream was about to become true. That's why he mess the films, it was possible to make Harry and Hermione being togheter, but JK changed her mind and he was bitter about it.

XDMorsmordreXD

Kloves's dream was about to become true. That's why he mess the films, it was possible to make Harry and Hermione being togheter, but JK changed her mind and he was bitter about it.

I can't help but feel there is only 100% truth to this statement.

Richard

It would be horrible if ron died

Braveheart

Why am I not surprised. I remember Rowling being astounded that Ron was the most popular of the trio amongst the fandom. It's because he is the most relatable. I have said this a million times and will say it again; as the series went on Hermione became less and less relatable to the point where I literally could not stand her in DH. JKR completely lost control of this author avatar thing and couldn't bear to write her flaws as explicitly as she wrote Ron and Harry's. Hermione became an immensely boring, one dimensional Mary-Sue type who spewed exposition. And something which I always found even more despicable, especially given Rowling's background, is how she used poverty to her convenience so she could completely skirt her own -- I mean Hermione's flaws.

XDMorsmordreXD

I disagree with you. Hermione whined in Deathly Hallows, that's factual, but she's an incredibly flawed character. She's also an incredibly intelligent and strong character.

Braveheart

I disagree with you. Hermione whined in Deathly Hallows, that's factual, but she's an incredibly flawed character. She's also an incredibly intelligent and strong character.

OK lets look at it. Hermione the daughter of two dentists - an incredibly well paid job for even one person - would have been used to luxury and wealth. In GOF this is proven by how she can't go a single night without food. In DH though she can suddenly go months on a meagre diet. How very convenient. Ron on the other hand, comes from a very poor family. They are affected by this in every way possibly imagineable...oh except from food, because apparently having almost no money doesn't affect the amount of food you eat, but it still affects your clothes and everything else. Just because Rowling needs Ron to be really well fed to fit with her contrived plot points. You see? Rowling only used the areas of poverty which were convenient to her, which was a terrible thing to do. If you disagree, I urge you to show me how Hermione's flaws were as well disaplayed as Ron and Harry's in later books.

XDMorsmordreXD

Hermione ''breaks'' her whining and moping pattern and, in a sense, ''woman's up'' after the departure of Ron in Deathly Hallows. She remains loyal to Harry as well.

Obliviator

Ha, I'd rather have Ron die than Fred or Remus. Am I the only person that's not a Ron fan?

Braveheart

Hermione ''breaks'' her whining and moping pattern and, in a sense, ''woman's up'' after the departure of Ron in Deathly Hallows. She remains loyal to Harry as well.

So can you offer explanation as to how, despite being the richest and most well fed of the trio, and despite being unable to last more than a few hours in GOF without eating, she manages to go months on end while Ron, whose poverty is oh so very convenient when Rowling wants it to be, cannot go long without food despite being the poorest of the trio. It is writing for convenience. Rowling couldn't BEAR to give herself flaws in her universe, which is why writers should never use author-avatars. They cannot face up to their own flaws.

Braveheart

Ha, I'd rather have Ron die than Fred or Remus. Am I the only person that's not a Ron fan?

Yes. He's the most human of the trio.

grable424

Hermione ''breaks'' her whining and moping pattern and, in a sense, ''woman's up'' after the departure of Ron in Deathly Hallows. She remains loyal to Harry as well.

So can you offer explanation as to how, despite being the richest and most well fed of the trio, and despite being unable to last more than a few hours in GOF without eating, she manages to go months on end while Ron, whose poverty is oh so very convenient when Rowling wants it to be, cannot go long without food despite being the poorest of the trio. It is writing for convenience. Rowling couldn't BEAR to give herself flaws in her universe, which is why writers should never use author-avatars. They cannot face up to their own flaws.

Just because they were poor doesn't mean the Weasleys weren't well fed lol... It seemed like Molly was always shoving food down harry and everyone's mouths... and you adapt to the situation you are in. I'm sure hermione would have quickly acclimated to a new diet when they were camping...

this is the strangest argument ever lol

Braveheart

Hermione ''breaks'' her whining and moping pattern and, in a sense, ''woman's up'' after the departure of Ron in Deathly Hallows. She remains loyal to Harry as well.

So can you offer explanation as to how, despite being the richest and most well fed of the trio, and despite being unable to last more than a few hours in GOF without eating, she manages to go months on end while Ron, whose poverty is oh so very convenient when Rowling wants it to be, cannot go long without food despite being the poorest of the trio. It is writing for convenience. Rowling couldn't BEAR to give herself flaws in her universe, which is why writers should never use author-avatars. They cannot face up to their own flaws.

Just because they were poor doesn't mean the Weasleys weren't well fed lol... It seemed like Molly was always shoving food down harry and everyone's mouths... and you adapt to the situation you are in. I'm sure hermione would have quickly acclimated to a new diet when they were camping...

this is the strangest argument ever lol

It's not strange at all to expect poor people to be underfed and rich people to be overfed. It's as if Rowling tries to pretend Hermione had a harsh life in DH....you know with those excessively wealthy parents of hers, whereas Ron apparently ate to omuch; of course, one of the distinctive trademarks of poverty is having a surplus of available food.

That subplot was one of the worst things Rowling has come up with.

[Deleted User]

I've always defended the idea of one of them dying instead of a lot of secundary characters being murdered. It would make things much more shocking and remarkable.

Braveheart

I wanted Harry to die. But everyone bar Snape who died in DH was a secondary character who nobody cared about before their death.

XDMorsmordreXD

You can't just conclude that the Grangers are wealthy people, or that they excessively feed their daughter. The relationship between Hermione and her parents is barely touched upon in the books, until the last. She seems to never go home on holidays. For all you know, she could have an austerely cursory home life.

Festax0333

I wanted Harry to die. But everyone bar Snape who died in DH was a secondary character who nobody cared about before their death.

i cared about dobby, fred, lupin and hell even mad eye had a spot in my heart

Braveheart

You can't just conclude that the Grangers are wealthy people, or that they excessively feed their daughter. The relationship between Hermione and her parents is barely touched upon in the books, until the last. She seems to never go home on holidays. For all you know, she could have an austerely cursory home life.

Well you can conclude that she is well fed from the fact that she can't stand to go a few hours without food in GOF. It's oh so very convenient that this is forgotten in DH where she is the one who adapts best to starvation - even better than Harry, who regularly endured it with the Dursleys. It was just plain stupidity for the sake of Rowling's ego. Again, this is why you should not base ANY characters on yourself; in the end, your doubtless going to make them annoyingly flawless and dull.

MattCat

They’re dentists….in the UK…they’d be very well off.

NimbusGold136

I wanted Harry to die. But everyone bar Snape who died in DH was a secondary character who nobody cared about before their death.

That's completely subjective...

Festax0333

You can't just conclude that the Grangers are wealthy people, or that they excessively feed their daughter. The relationship between Hermione and her parents is barely touched upon in the books, until the last. She seems to never go home on holidays. For all you know, she could have an austerely cursory home life.

Well you can conclude that she is well fed from the fact that she can't stand to go a few hours without food in GOF. It's oh so very convenient that this is forgotten in DH where she is the one who adapts best to starvation - even better than Harry, who regularly endured it with the Dursleys. It was just plain stupidity for the sake of Rowling's ego. Again, this is why you should not base ANY characters on yourself; in the end, your doubtless going to make them annoyingly flawless and dull.

thats a valid point....but in the grand scheme its sucha small detail..it really doesnt make or break hermione as a character

Braveheart

You can't just conclude that the Grangers are wealthy people, or that they excessively feed their daughter. The relationship between Hermione and her parents is barely touched upon in the books, until the last. She seems to never go home on holidays. For all you know, she could have an austerely cursory home life.

Well you can conclude that she is well fed from the fact that she can't stand to go a few hours without food in GOF. It's oh so very convenient that this is forgotten in DH where she is the one who adapts best to starvation - even better than Harry, who regularly endured it with the Dursleys. It was just plain stupidity for the sake of Rowling's ego. Again, this is why you should not base ANY characters on yourself; in the end, your doubtless going to make them annoyingly flawless and dull.

thats a valid point....but in the grand scheme its sucha small detail..it really doesnt make or break hermione as a character

In DH it does, since Rowling rushed it and stupidly chose to put so much emphasis on her incredibly flawed food plots.

grable424

You can't just conclude that the Grangers are wealthy people, or that they excessively feed their daughter. The relationship between Hermione and her parents is barely touched upon in the books, until the last. She seems to never go home on holidays. For all you know, she could have an austerely cursory home life.

Well you can conclude that she is well fed from the fact that she can't stand to go a few hours without food in GOF. It's oh so very convenient that this is forgotten in DH where she is the one who adapts best to starvation - even better than Harry, who regularly endured it with the Dursleys. It was just plain stupidity for the sake of Rowling's ego. Again, this is why you should not base ANY characters on yourself; in the end, your doubtless going to make them annoyingly flawless and dull.

I'm just shocked that something so minuscule to the plot could annoy you so much.... When you have to nitpick that far, you need to stop and just enjoy the freaking series.

Festax0333

You can't just conclude that the Grangers are wealthy people, or that they excessively feed their daughter. The relationship between Hermione and her parents is barely touched upon in the books, until the last. She seems to never go home on holidays. For all you know, she could have an austerely cursory home life.

Well you can conclude that she is well fed from the fact that she can't stand to go a few hours without food in GOF. It's oh so very convenient that this is forgotten in DH where she is the one who adapts best to starvation - even better than Harry, who regularly endured it with the Dursleys. It was just plain stupidity for the sake of Rowling's ego. Again, this is why you should not base ANY characters on yourself; in the end, your doubtless going to make them annoyingly flawless and dull.

I'm just shocked that something so minuscule to the plot could annoy you so much.... When you have to nitpick that far, you need to stop and just enjoy the freaking series.

im happy someone else gets it!

Braveheart

You can't just conclude that the Grangers are wealthy people, or that they excessively feed their daughter. The relationship between Hermione and her parents is barely touched upon in the books, until the last. She seems to never go home on holidays. For all you know, she could have an austerely cursory home life.

Well you can conclude that she is well fed from the fact that she can't stand to go a few hours without food in GOF. It's oh so very convenient that this is forgotten in DH where she is the one who adapts best to starvation - even better than Harry, who regularly endured it with the Dursleys. It was just plain stupidity for the sake of Rowling's ego. Again, this is why you should not base ANY characters on yourself; in the end, your doubtless going to make them annoyingly flawless and dull.

I'm just shocked that something so minuscule to the plot could annoy you so much.... When you have to nitpick that far, you need to stop and just enjoy the freaking series.

I'm sorry it wasn't miniscule in DH. Rowling spent hundreds of pages rambling about hunger being vital to the moods of the trio in DH. She made it one of the main reasons for Ron's departure. And of course, DH Hermione the walking plot convenience wasn't affected by this at all.

Braveheart

You can't just conclude that the Grangers are wealthy people, or that they excessively feed their daughter. The relationship between Hermione and her parents is barely touched upon in the books, until the last. She seems to never go home on holidays. For all you know, she could have an austerely cursory home life.

Well you can conclude that she is well fed from the fact that she can't stand to go a few hours without food in GOF. It's oh so very convenient that this is forgotten in DH where she is the one who adapts best to starvation - even better than Harry, who regularly endured it with the Dursleys. It was just plain stupidity for the sake of Rowling's ego. Again, this is why you should not base ANY characters on yourself; in the end, your doubtless going to make them annoyingly flawless and dull.

I'm just shocked that something so minuscule to the plot could annoy you so much.... When you have to nitpick that far, you need to stop and just enjoy the freaking series.

im happy someone else gets it!

Again, when Rowling invested so much of the camping plot in the search for food and hunger, you really can't dismiss hundreds of pages worth of plot and character development as miniscule.

XDMorsmordreXD

''Hundreds of Pages'' is a giant over statement. There was a chapter that truly emphasized the hunger and growing tension between the trio and it was well placed.

grable424

''Hundreds of Pages'' is a giant over statement. There was a chapter that truly emphasized the hunger and growing tension between the trio and it was well placed.

and underneath that, it was actually trying to show how the horcrux effected Ron more than it did Harry & Hermione....

Obliviator

I wanted Harry to die. But everyone bar Snape who died in DH was a secondary character who nobody cared about before their death.

Ummm, yea, that's definitely not true. Ever since book 3 Remus has been my favorite character. I didn't like him because he died, and I'm sure other people have had their favorite characters killed off as well.

I'm sure Hermione was just as hungry as everyone else, but she, unlike, needed to stay in hiding. Whether she supports Harry or not, she is a muggle born, and going back to Hogwarts was out of the question.

TheDoctor

I couldn't believe this when I heard it. I love Ron so much. I would have been devastated if he died.

The hunger subplot is actually really only existent in about one chapter.

TheDoctor

I wouldn't. I liked how in the end all of the Marauders ended up dying and I did like how their deaths brought the story full circle. Plus I am sure most people have a much stronger emotional connection to Ron than Lupin or Tonks, though I know you don't. :P

XDMorsmordreXD

I couldn't believe this when I heard it. I love Ron so much. I would have been devastated if he died.

The hunger subplot is actually really only existent in about one chapter.

This is what I said.
Wait, you read the book?

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TheDoctor

I couldn't believe this when I heard it. I love Ron so much. I would have been devastated if he died.

The hunger subplot is actually really only existent in about one chapter.

This is what I said.
Wait, you read the book?

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I looked it up on wikipedia.

XDMorsmordreXD

I couldn't believe this when I heard it. I love Ron so much. I would have been devastated if he died.

The hunger subplot is actually really only existent in about one chapter.

This is what I said.
Wait, you read the book?

)

I looked it up on wikipedia.

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TheDoctor

Weasley.... have you not read the books? But you went to LeakyCon?

I've read them more times than I can count! I was being sarcastic in response to Morse's post lol. I probably would have been mauled if I went to Leakycon and I hadn't read the books.

Darth Ledger

First of all hermione was 14 in GoF and 17 in DH plus she decided starving herself wasn't the best way to gain elf rights, Ron just pokes at her that it was because she was hungry. As far as Rowling and hermiones flaws goes I was under the impression that she had very logical flaws and fears in DH but also made up for it by keeping cool and using the proper spells at the proper time, hence keeping cool in the face of danger ala sorcerers stone. Hermione grew and matured just like Ron and Harry. But what tha hell do I know... I've only read every book over 16 times

Darth Ledger

Lol

MattCat

The author is a harmonian, no doubt!

yonythemoony

Kloves tried to bring her into the dark side, but she refused.

Braveheart

Well I still say the hunger subplot was one of the most brainless ideas in DH: "Oh noeees, we have no food! We can't conjure it out of midair...wait, who decides what food is? Haven't we conjured animals in the past? Don't they count as food, or is magic just a vegetarian? Failing that, can't we just conjure something that isn't food and then transform it and replicate it as many times as we want? Or, given that we are camping, we could summon some of the animals living in the forest all around us, like was easily done by that group of renegades we listened in on. Or we could take one of the millions of blades of grass around us, transform and replicate. Now I think about it, I really don't know why we're panicking over such an easily solvable problem. It's almost as if we're all being conveniently moronic because an ill-conceived plot to build tension needs us to be."

Hermione: unrivalled genius, until the plot needs her to be an idiot. I'm so glad they ditched that subplot in the movie.

MattCat

Yeah, Yates and Kloves were wise to drop that and focus it more on the radio and Ron’s fear about his family. The whole no-food fiasco was just absurd though especially after Rowling gave a list of other viable methods of getting some food - even stealing from a shop (which I think they did at some point) and duplicating their stuff - the fact that that was left in despite make zero sense really makes me think that Rowling put a lot les thought into the working of magic and her overall world building until the plot required these kind of things.

Richard

Im glad nofood was cut.

XDMorsmordreXD

You guys act like the ''food subplot'' was prominent in the book. It really prodomientely was a topic during, ''the Goblins Revenge''. It was good development for Ron and the lockets, sort of, demented influence on him

Braveheart

You guys act like the ''food subplot'' was prominent in the book. It really prodomientely was a topic during, ''the Goblins Revenge''. It was good development for Ron and the lockets, sort of, demented influence on him

It was the catalyst for some pretty big events in the book.

Obliviator

I wouldn't. I liked how in the end all of the Marauders ended up dying and I did like how their deaths brought the story full circle. Plus I am sure most people have a much stronger emotional connection to Ron than Lupin or Tonks, though I know you don't. :P

Well, I totally get Remus dying, but Tonks was like pouring salt in a wound to me.

I really think Remus should have lived. Why did ever maurader-era character have to die?

Joshie

Ron getting killed would be terrible, I wouldn't believe it...

XDMorsmordreXD

Ron's departure wasn't a direct result of the lack of the food. It was a result of the locket becoming increasingly manipulative.

Braveheart

Ron's departure wasn't a direct result of the lack of the food. It was a result of the locket becoming increasingly manipulative.

The lack of food was a big factor.

stinka

Ha, I'd rather have Ron die than Fred or Remus. Am I the only person that's not a Ron fan?

nope, you are not alone here... LOL.

stinka

hermione did have flaws, but some peeps have chosen to ignore them for some reason. not only was she brilliant and loyal, but at times hypocritcal, bossy, manipulative, stubborn, etc.