The dialogue in part 2

Pumpkinjuice

I found some of the dialogue in part 2 quite bad. Harry's lines to Ron and Hermione at Shell Cottage seemed unnatural, as if to remind the audience of what a horcrux is and that they need to destroy them in order to kill Voldemort. Come on, Harry, they do know what a horcrux is after spending 3/4 of the year on the run with you hunting those objects. It was probably included as a reminder for the casual viewers, but yet the filmmakers didn't bother telling them how Hermione got a hair from Bellatrix, that Harry's cloak is one of the hallows or even the reason why he didn't die in the forbidden forest. It makes me wonder who they aimed the film at (if anyone), but I digress.

What do you think of it? The dialogue. What lines were good and what were bad?

What I liked the most was Harry confronting Snape in the Great Hall. That was intense.

Something I hated was Dumbledore's out of place comment about words. Really, that whole scene was quite a mess.

Lord_Darkeyes

I really hated Neville's line
"Never better! I feel like... I could... Spit fire!"

SwedishSkinJer

With all due respect, was there really a genuine intellectual need for this thread that can't be fulfilled elsewhere? You've make your thoughts quite plain already. There are plenty of other outlets on this forum to voice your grievances about the last film: setting another thread to largely complain just seems unnecessary because it will likely devolve into a debate about which single line was the worst. We get it, you have several legitimate complaints about the film. What purpose is this thread going to serve to provoke any meaningful, objective discussion aside from the rather thin subject matter of dialogue? Surely there's a general thread where issues like this can be discussed in a better context?

Pumpkinjuice

With all due respect, was there really a genuine intellectual need for this thread that can't be fulfilled elsewhere? You've make your thoughts quite plain already. There are plenty of other outlets on this forum to voice your grievances about the last film: setting another thread to largely complain just seems unnecessary because it will likely devolve into a debate about which single line was the worst. We get it, you have several legitimate complaints about the film. What purpose is this thread going to serve to provoke any meaningful, objective discussion aside from the rather thin subject matter of dialogue? Surely there's a general thread where issues like this can be discussed in a better context?

Thanks for it, your input.

Braveheart

Where will he be taken, the boy?
Why didn't you tell her, Bellatrix?
Is he alive, Draco?
Why are so many structured like this, the lines?
Is Kloves trying to confuse them with poorly worded dialogue, the audience?

Kloves is generally a mediocre to horrendous writer, who strikes unintentionally on gold every now and then and whose scripts are carved into something acceptable by Yates and the actors. You would never think to look at HBP that it's one of the most clunky things committed to paper, the script. :P

I find a lot of Part 2 pretty badly written. I guess Kloves was just eager to get to the end.

Pumpkinjuice

its kloves, what did u expect. If they kept Goldenberg i would have loved it, somebody that comes with epic lines and structured dialogue

Indeed. He did a good job, Goldenberg.

TheDoctor

lololol Harry's line in Shell Cottage. "A horcrux, another piece of his soul. Let's find it and kill it and then we're one step closer to killing him." Reminds me of Ron's line "To kill the other horcruxes, we have to find them. Where are they?"

aaron

Well they had to remind the audiences in both parts what the trio were doing.

Pumpkinjuice

^ But you must admit there are better ways to do so.

aaron

Yes. I found Ron's line in Part 1 rather stupid, but I hardly even noticed the Part 2 one. I actually liked pretty much all the dialogue in Part 2, sans the cheesy one-liners and a bit of Dumbledore's mumbo jumbo.

MattCat

The dialogue of the whole series has never been particularly great In every film there’s been awkwardly structured lines, overdramatic lines, state-the-obvious lines and some lines that don’t even make the slightest bit of sense. Generally in Film 6-8 Yates seems to have gone and really reworked the lines. I remember thinking during HBP just how much Kloves’ writing had improved until I actually read the script then I was borderline amazed at how poor most of the writing actually was especially the ‘Harry Dimpleton’ joke and, of course, Snape’s dramatic “No! I made a vow!” on the Astronomy Tower.

To be honest the biggest surprise I got was after the wonderful opening montage Yates crafted to see just how ridiculous the original script actually was. A family conversation about sugar-free-biscuits? He had to be joking.

js1138

There's an old saying that a good actor can make the telephone directory sound interesting. I'm not sure it's fair to look at movie scripts in print. It's a bit like looking at rock lyrics without knowing the music.

Pumpkinjuice

"If you have to ask you will never know. If you know, you need only ask." What does that mean?

TheDoctor

If Harry has to ask what the Room of Hidden things is, he'll never be able to find it (like how he couldn't get in in the HBP book), but if he does know, he only needs to ask the room to become the Room of Hidden things and it will.

EDIT: Different interpretations than Brian, but both still work.

Lord Stafford

Along with there being some great lines, which are generally taken from the book... this film also has some of the worst. Ron's ROR gag is just horrendous, simply put.

Lord Stafford.

Bane

No problems with the dialogue personally.

Pumpkinjuice

Minerva had some funny lines that weren't in the book, I think.

Joshie

No problems with the dialogue personally.

This. I don't mind the dialogue.

TheDoctor

I really like "And his name is Voldemort, Filius, you might as well use it. He's going to try to kill you either way."

But it's really a shame now that they didn't include McGonagall not liking it when Dumbledore used the name at the very beginning of SS. It would've been an awesome parallel.

Lord Stafford

She never seemed to fear it, and she appeared to be the only one other than Dumbledore who didn't. Slughorn shat his pants for obvious reasons. Flitwick is short, so... and Sprout, i don't really know.

Lord Stafford.

GinaC

I really like "And his name is Voldemort, Filius, you might as well use it. He's going to try to kill you either way."

But it's really a shame now that they didn't include McGonagall not liking it when Dumbledore used the name at the very beginning of SS. It would've been an awesome parallel.

Yes!!! That was awesome, and that WOULD have been awesome. (*)

Martin1

Along with there being some great lines, which are generally taken from the book... this film also has some of the worst. Ron's ROR gag is just horrendous, simply put.

Lord Stafford.

"If you have to ask, you'll never know. If you know, you need only ask."

"It seems despite your exhaustive defensive strategies, you still have a bit of a security problem, Headmaster."

"Why don’t you confer with Mr. Finnigan? As I recall, he has a particular proclivity for pyrotechnics" - This one was great, since at midnight it's just the hardcore fans and they all knew why it was really funny

"Harry, you are so loved. Mama loves you. Dada loves you. Harry, be safe. Be strong. "

"It is the quality of ones convictions that determines success, not the number of followers. "

"It doesn't matter that Harry's gone. People die every day. Friends, family. Yeah, we still lost Harry tonight. He's still with us, in here."

"Come on Tom, let's finish this the way we started, together. "

All fantastic, all not from the book.

GodricGryffindor

"I'll go with you"

Enough said.

G.G.

Obliviator

She never seemed to fear it, and she appeared to be the only one other than Dumbledore who didn't. Slughorn shat his pants for obvious reasons. Flitwick is short, so... and Sprout, i don't really know.

Lord Stafford.

Are you talking just about teachers? Remus didn't fear saying it. Bad ass remus

XDMorsmordreXD

Along with there being some great lines, which are generally taken from the book... this film also has some of the worst. Ron's ROR gag is just horrendous, simply put.

Lord Stafford.

"If you have to ask, you'll never know. If you know, you need only ask."

"It seems despite your exhaustive defensive strategies, you still have a bit of a security problem, Headmaster."

"Why don’t you confer with Mr. Finnigan? As I recall, he has a particular proclivity for pyrotechnics" - This one was great, since at midnight it's just the hardcore fans and they all knew why it was really funny

"Harry, you are so loved. Mama loves you. Dada loves you. Harry, be safe. Be strong. "

"It is the quality of ones convictions that determines success, not the number of followers. "

"It doesn't matter that Harry's gone. People die every day. Friends, family. Yeah, we still lost Harry tonight. He's still with us, in here."

"Come on Tom, let's finish this the way we started, together. "

All fantastic, all not from the book.

No...

Martin1

Along with there being some great lines, which are generally taken from the book... this film also has some of the worst. Ron's ROR gag is just horrendous, simply put.

Lord Stafford.

"If you have to ask, you'll never know. If you know, you need only ask."

"It seems despite your exhaustive defensive strategies, you still have a bit of a security problem, Headmaster."

"Why don’t you confer with Mr. Finnigan? As I recall, he has a particular proclivity for pyrotechnics" - This one was great, since at midnight it's just the hardcore fans and they all knew why it was really funny

"Harry, you are so loved. Mama loves you. Dada loves you. Harry, be safe. Be strong. "

"It is the quality of ones convictions that determines success, not the number of followers. "

"It doesn't matter that Harry's gone. People die every day. Friends, family. Yeah, we still lost Harry tonight. He's still with us, in here."

"Come on Tom, let's finish this the way we started, together. "

All fantastic, all not from the book.

No...

What do you mean no? Was one of them in the book? :-?

Festax0333

I Agree martin!

those lines are great

Joshie

Same, I love those lines.

Richard

Im with you guys.

XDMorsmordreXD

The book's lines are better and, of course, excluded.
J.K Rowling's humor is also two-hundred times better and *not* cheesy.

Joshie

Was "TELL THEM HOW IT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT HOW YOU LOOKED HIM IN THE EYE, THE MAN WHO TRUSTED YOU, AND KILLED HIM, TELL THEM!" Was that line in the book, I cannot remember. Dan delivers it amazingly.

TheDoctor

The book's lines are better and, of course, excluded.
J.K Rowling's humor is also two-hundred times better and *not* cheesy.

Well I don't see how that addresses your "no..." in reply to Martin's comment. We're not talking about the humor. Plus, the movie pretty much did include the book's iconic lines.

Was "TELL THEM HOW IT HAPPENED THAT NIGHT HOW YOU LOOKED HIM IN THE EYE, THE MAN WHO TRUSTED YOU, AND KILLED HIM, TELL THEM!" Was that line in the book, I cannot remember. Dan delivers it amazingly.

That line was not in the book. Overall, I found the Sacking of Severus Snape executed better in the film than the book.

Martin1

The book's lines are better and, of course, excluded.
J.K Rowling's humor is also two-hundred times better and *not* cheesy.

That's not even the point though! The point was those lines are amazing?

Did I say 'Always' or 'Of course it's happening in side your head..." or any from the book were bad? No I didn't, I said many from the film only were great.

Lord Stafford

Along with there being some great lines, which are generally taken from the book... this film also has some of the worst. Ron's ROR gag is just horrendous, simply put.

Lord Stafford.

"If you have to ask, you'll never know. If you know, you need only ask."

"It seems despite your exhaustive defensive strategies, you still have a bit of a security problem, Headmaster."

"Why don’t you confer with Mr. Finnigan? As I recall, he has a particular proclivity for pyrotechnics" - This one was great, since at midnight it's just the hardcore fans and they all knew why it was really funny

"Harry, you are so loved. Mama loves you. Dada loves you. Harry, be safe. Be strong. "

"It is the quality of ones convictions that determines success, not the number of followers. "

"It doesn't matter that Harry's gone. People die every day. Friends, family. Yeah, we still lost Harry tonight. He's still with us, in here."

"Come on Tom, let's finish this the way we started, together. "

All fantastic, all not from the book.

Fair enough, But the last two don't count, as they're not fantastic. Plus Dan buggers up on the word 'exhaustive'

Lord Stafford.

TheDoctor

Along with there being some great lines, which are generally taken from the book... this film also has some of the worst. Ron's ROR gag is just horrendous, simply put.

Lord Stafford.

"If you have to ask, you'll never know. If you know, you need only ask."

"It seems despite your exhaustive defensive strategies, you still have a bit of a security problem, Headmaster."

"Why don’t you confer with Mr. Finnigan? As I recall, he has a particular proclivity for pyrotechnics" - This one was great, since at midnight it's just the hardcore fans and they all knew why it was really funny

"Harry, you are so loved. Mama loves you. Dada loves you. Harry, be safe. Be strong. "

"It is the quality of ones convictions that determines success, not the number of followers. "

"It doesn't matter that Harry's gone. People die every day. Friends, family. Yeah, we still lost Harry tonight. He's still with us, in here."

"Come on Tom, let's finish this the way we started, together. "

All fantastic, all not from the book.

Fair enough, But the last two don't count, as they're not fantastic. Plus Dan buggers up on the word 'exhaustive'

Lord Stafford.

I didn't know it was up to you to decide what is fantastic or not.

Lord Stafford

Of course not, but Neville's, as we all know, doesn't make sense. And the 'Tom' line was just an excuse for some dialogue, since they had already removed all of the book's dialogue.

Lord Stafford.

Martin1

Of course not, but Neville's, as we all know, doesn't make sense. And the 'Tom' line was just an excuse for some dialogue, since they had already removed all of the book's dialogue.

Lord Stafford.

I didn't use that line about the heart Staff, I used the one before it.

And about the Tom one, it definitely counts. Especially how Dan delivers it.

Lord Stafford

Of course not, but Neville's, as we all know, doesn't make sense. And the 'Tom' line was just an excuse for some dialogue, since they had already removed all of the book's dialogue.

Lord Stafford.

I didn't use that line about the heart Staff, I used the one before it.

And about the Tom one, it definitely counts. Especially how Dan delivers it.

The delivery, yes. I was talking about the line itself. It' just like the 'Why do you Live' line, in that it's delivery is great, but the line itself isn't exactly inspiring.

Lord Stafford.

Braveheart

The dialogue was overall pretty good, but I wonder how much of that was Yates and the actors improving on the cringe-fest Kloves usually concocts. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Kloves had Luna shouting "HARRY DIMPLETON!! You listen to me right now!!"

Most of the problems with dialogue I had were Neville's lines. His quips in the bridge scene, his random lust for Luna line, his speech at the end (this might be to do with delivery, but I still feel it went too much for sentimental cheesiness rather than rousing defiance like in the book). Then there were a few times he would state the obvious. "The grounds are crawling with Death Eaters and Dementors". Yeah dude, you're ruining the whole show don't tell concept. Then there was the whole rogue students hiding in the ROR because they're wanted by the Death Eaters yet still attending classes and venturing out into the school explanation which just made no sense at all.

That may seem like a lot to think was bad. But oh no, that is good for Kloves. And most of it is really pinned to the fact that he couldn't write one character convincingly.

Pumpkinjuice

I look forward to read the part 2 script. I have a feeling that the King's Cross scene is longer, explaining that Harry is the true master of death. Otherwise I expect that Yates removed some cringeworthy lines and improved upon sequences such as the Prince's tale by emphasizing emotion over information. Actually, the directing of the film was excellent for the most part.

Martin1

The dialogue was overall pretty good, but I wonder how much of that was Yates and the actors improving on the cringe-fest Kloves usually concocts. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Kloves had Luna shouting "HARRY DIMPLETON!! You listen to me right now!!"

Most of the problems with dialogue I had were Neville's lines. His quips in the bridge scene, his random lust for Luna line, his speech at the end (this might be to do with delivery, but I still feel it went too much for sentimental cheesiness rather than rousing defiance like in the book). Then there were a few times he would state the obvious. "The grounds are crawling with Death Eaters and Dementors". Yeah dude, you're ruining the whole show don't tell concept. Then there was the whole rogue students hiding in the ROR because they're wanted by the Death Eaters yet still attending classes and venturing out into the school explanation which just made no sense at all.

That may seem like a lot to think was bad. But oh no, that is good for Kloves. And most of it is really pinned to the fact that he couldn't write one character convincingly.

I found it a little cheesy in the book as well though. Screaming "When hell freezes over, dumbledores army." Just that small moment though, ndb at all.

XDMorsmordreXD

That wasn't cheesy. I'm sure if it were transitioned onto film, it would have been poorly directed or executed by Matthew Lewis.

Martin1

I haven't read the scripts, so I've taken myself out from most conversations about Kloves vs Goldenberg. Does Kloves really have Luna scream Harry Dimpleton?

XDMorsmordreXD

I haven't read the scripts, so I've taken myself out from most conversations about Kloves vs Goldenberg. Does Kloves really have Luna scream Harry Dimpleton?

I love Goldenberg. Order of the Phoenix seems to be the film with least amount of cheesy dialogue.

Martin1

That wasn't cheesy. I'm sure if it were transitioned onto film, it would have been poorly directed or executed by Matthew Lewis.

Idk, it just came across a little cheesy to me. Like I said, it's not a big deal at all and I'm not complaining, just saying how I felt on it.

As for how it would look on film, I wouldn't have high hopes for that to be all too well

Martin1

I haven't read the scripts, so I've taken myself out from most conversations about Kloves vs Goldenberg. Does Kloves really have Luna scream Harry Dimpleton?

I love Goldenberg. Order of the Phoenix seems to be the film with least amount of cheesy dialogue.

The more I think about it, the more I think it's true.

XDMorsmordreXD

That wasn't cheesy. I'm sure if it were transitioned onto film, it would have been poorly directed or executed by Matthew Lewis.

Idk, it just came across a little cheesy to me. Like I said, it's not a big deal at all and I'm not complaining, just saying how I felt on it.

As for how it would look on film, I wouldn't have high hopes for that to be all too well

Yeah, it's just one of those thing's that probably wouldn't clash well on the big screen I suppose.

Pumpkinjuice

I liked his speech because it reinforces the story of the film about never ceasing and the main theme of the series which is love. My only complaint about it was that they cut Voldemort's line saying that they never were in Harry's heart beforehand.

XDMorsmordreXD

That indeed was a great line. I wasn't too bothered. I loved the speech.

Martin1

I liked his speech because it reinforces the story of the film about never ceasing and the main theme of the series which is love. My only complaint about it was that they cut Voldemort's line saying that they never were in Harry's heart beforehand.

Yeah, I wish we could've seen that! Then maybe people would stop complaining about the hug and laugh, something I'm perfectly fine with. It makes Neville's next line kinda lost. I mean, "Harry's heart did beat for us" is now just an 'okay, that's good to know Neville, glad for the info' kinda line, loll

Pumpkinjuice

^ Yeah, the notion that Neville owned Voldemort was unfortunately lost, but it still makes you want to cheer for him.