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To Those who Don't like the Cliff Jump: Please Read. Those who do like it are free to as well :p
Why? I'd just like a thought out answer as to why you may not like.
I stand by this: Voldemort and Harry talking for 5 minutes plus a single AK vs Expelliarmus is extremely anti-climatic for a film. There's people complaining about not enough action, so imagine what this would have caused? There's things that work in film and thing's that don't, and this is something that doesn't. Think how much more we got than that single collision:
The beginning with Harry blocking Voldy's spells on the stairs, the first connection with Harry blowing it to the ceiling, Voldemort blasting the basilisk fang then chasing him, Harry blocking his spell and falling, Voldemort grabbing him then beating him up, the epic and fucking awesome apparation battle which the meaning I'll get to, the first AK vs Expelliarmus ending with nagini's death and the second ending with Voldemort's death. It's hard to be better than a book because the book can just give you SO much more, but this I find completely better than the book.
Another point is that now Voldemort is not a fucking idiot. I mean, Harry gave him every piece of evidence that Voldy didn't own the Elder Wand. Every. Piece. Of. Evidence. Yet what does Voldemort do? He still attacks! The film Voldemort doesn't give a flying fuck as to what Harry has to say: he just wants him dead. I like this better: it's ignorance rather than plain stupidity.
Plus, if it was in the book and not in the film you'd be screaming about it. If in the book, it went along the lines of: 'Harry had enough of it after sixteen years blahblah insert better writing here and he took Voldemort of the battlements with him,' then I guarantee you all would've been having screaming orgasms over it.
The meaning and symbolism here is just so obvious, that when some people ignore it's annoying me. Harry has had enough of Voldemort's shit and decides to tell Tom that they should finish it. Harry takes him off the cliff, and it's Harry toying with Voldemort after all the years of Voldemort toying with Harry. The face merger is just as symbolic: what was once Harry and Voldemort, connected by soul, mind, blood, and whatever fucked connection those two had, is now gone, and is represented when they come apart.
The obvious symbolism and meaning behind this being ignored annoyed me and I really want to know if after all of that, you still dislike it.
And if there is nobody that dislikes it, well....this shit just got awkward. Kudos to you though if you recognize this and enjoy it! :-bd
I stand by this: Voldemort and Harry talking for 5 minutes plus a single AK vs Expelliarmus is extremely anti-climatic for a film. There's people complaining about not enough action, so imagine what this would have caused? There's things that work in film and thing's that don't, and this is something that doesn't. Think how much more we got than that single collision:
The beginning with Harry blocking Voldy's spells on the stairs, the first connection with Harry blowing it to the ceiling, Voldemort blasting the basilisk fang then chasing him, Harry blocking his spell and falling, Voldemort grabbing him then beating him up, the epic and fucking awesome apparation battle which the meaning I'll get to, the first AK vs Expelliarmus ending with nagini's death and the second ending with Voldemort's death. It's hard to be better than a book because the book can just give you SO much more, but this I find completely better than the book.
Another point is that now Voldemort is not a fucking idiot. I mean, Harry gave him every piece of evidence that Voldy didn't own the Elder Wand. Every. Piece. Of. Evidence. Yet what does Voldemort do? He still attacks! The film Voldemort doesn't give a flying fuck as to what Harry has to say: he just wants him dead. I like this better: it's ignorance rather than plain stupidity.
Plus, if it was in the book and not in the film you'd be screaming about it. If in the book, it went along the lines of: 'Harry had enough of it after sixteen years blahblah insert better writing here and he took Voldemort of the battlements with him,' then I guarantee you all would've been having screaming orgasms over it.
The meaning and symbolism here is just so obvious, that when some people ignore it's annoying me. Harry has had enough of Voldemort's shit and decides to tell Tom that they should finish it. Harry takes him off the cliff, and it's Harry toying with Voldemort after all the years of Voldemort toying with Harry. The face merger is just as symbolic: what was once Harry and Voldemort, connected by soul, mind, blood, and whatever fucked connection those two had, is now gone, and is represented when they come apart.
The obvious symbolism and meaning behind this being ignored annoyed me and I really want to know if after all of that, you still dislike it.
And if there is nobody that dislikes it, well....this shit just got awkward. Kudos to you though if you recognize this and enjoy it! :-bd
Comments
Skullfucking at its best!
John Williams who?
Loll, I still think Williams is a better composer, but holy fuck, he'd have his work cut out if he wanted to challenge what Desplat did for Hallows. Part 2 = my favorite soundtrack.
One of the reasons DH2 is the best because of this scene alone!
I first found out about the cliffjump on the HPWiki, and in my head I imagined like a sort of struggle, until they get too close to the edge and Harry eventually drags im off the edge a la Frodo and Gollum. But nevertheless, I was not disappointed.
And re: Voldy being stupid to cast the spell after being warned.... I don't know if it was stupidity as much as it was arrogance and narcissism. He just couldn't imagine that a scrawny, bespectacled teenager could beat him in the end. I dunno! I see what you're saying, but I still liked the "Dirty Harry" moment where he tells Voldy that it all comes down to whether the wand knows that he disarmed Draco. Kinda like "Do I feel lucky? Well, punk, do ya?!"
I for one applaud Yates for taking a step back and thinking of a story thread introduced when he actually came on as director and brought it to full fruition in the end. That's awesome. We had a director come on who was interested in the actual psychology of the characters, and not only did something cinematic and meaningful with it, but had the balls to include it in the first place.
He must have been very nervous, knowing that it would divide fans, but I think that he looked at the bigger picture and realized that, at least over time, people would catch onto the meaning of it, the reason.
When you think about it, Harry has been basically tortured by his mental connection to Voldemort. He's stressed over it, lost sleep over it... I mean imagine being mentally tormented like that for years, not knowing if it's something wrong with you. He even asks Sirius about it. So when Harry takes them over the edge, it's basically Harry saying "let's finish this TOGETHER, you know, just the way you like it apparently since you can't seem to stop fucking with my head, so here you go, let's suicide jump and HOPEFULLY maybe you can finally get it out of your system."
Harry was simply trolling Voldemort for all the mind-hacking bullshit. People complained about the change because they liked how Harry talked Voldemort down in front of everyone-- because it was finally Harry's moment to stand up to him and call him out on his bullshit. The same thing happens in the film, it's just different.
Well, there were witnesses, you just can't see them unless you're looking for them. BUT THEY ARE THERE, loll
The thing is, the film Voldemort's ignorance is actually ignorance while the book's is stupidity. If you want to look at it as ignorance, then it's a slim borderline ignorance, loll, but I see it as stupidity. That's one of my very few problems with the book: Voldemort is stupid. I'm glad they didn't translate that problem to film.
I agree what there should've been more emphasis on the Molly/Bellatrix battle, but I think the way they handled Nagini was much better. Harry told them to kill the snake, and they get their chance. In the book, Harry tells Neville, but he never has time to in the film, so it's a change in context that has to continue with the flow to make sense.
I wish Harry repairing his wand was in as well, but maybe they made it out that the Elder Wand grew weak with Voldemort cracking it. Perhaps, idk. I just know I'm thinking: 'WHY THE FUCK DIDN'T HARRY SNAP THE ELDER WAND IN THE BOOK!' Loll, like anyone in his future career as auror could disarm him or stupefy him and they'll be the master, and who knows what'll happen! This move to break it was more noble and sorta: "return it to dumbledore's grave? FUCK THAT SHIT, IM TEARING THIS MOTHER FUCKER APART!"
This was not 'oh let's get rid of the dialogue meaning and throw in action.' It was: 'let's find a way to convey the symbolism and meaning behind everything and put it into cinema.' Instead of Harry talking to Voldemort and making him look stupid and fucking with him through dialogue, he's fucking with him through the cliff jump. Same meaning, different approach. Rightfully so, one's a movie and one's a book.
That is a point that since Harry told Ron and Hermione to kill Nagini, they had to try. I guess I just picture Neville dramatically pulling that sword out after his speech with Nagini right there...I could just see him going ahead and doing the deed right then and it just seems to me that it would have looked awesome.
If Harry absolutely had to break the Elder Wand, he still should have repaired his wand first! ;-)
The cliff jump and apparation battle in the movie and the dramatic dialogue in the book are actually the same. Both of them convey the message of Harry fucking with Voldemort, humilating him, and making wonder: 'what the fuck is going on and why isn't this asshole dead already?' They serve the same purpose and show the same thing, they are just different ways of doing so. One is more film friendly and the other is more book friendly.
Show, don't tell. Biggest rule of thumb for screenwriters to follow. That's not to undermine the power of dialogue and performance, but I still felt that the dialogue and performance was just fine. It's just that it took place in a different location and had less dialogue. But it was visually artistic, sound, and risky. It also allowed for Desplat to sex my ears hard.
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Now we need something else to debate... :-?
duel is that it's all about
HARRY & VOLDEMORT'S
relationship.
Harry's internal struggle,
Voldemort's terror, and
their linked souls.
G.G.
Lord Stafford.
Lord Stafford.
Lord Stafford.
(Just kidding! I always love discussing this!)