Neville Longbottom's Speech

Joshie

Am I the only one who is in love with this scene?! I get chills EVERY single time I see it, and I'm going to see it again in IMAX in about 15 minutes.

This scene proves that Neville is just pure badass, trying to block that spell with the sword, just epic.

Bane

I like it but I'm still trying to get used to his "yeah, we lost Harry tonight" dialogue because it was really... well it was like he didn't care.

Joshie

I like it but I'm still trying to get used to his "yeah, we lost Harry tonight" dialogue because it was really... well it was like he didn't care.

I was disappointed at that part as well.

Bane

It's not just Neville but literally everyone else there too. That part was one of the most disappointing moments, everyone is literally just standing around, the only character to put any effort into it was Ginny. I mean, shouldn't these people be like fucking emotionally scarred to see Harry dead? Especially Ron, Hermione-- no scratch that, everyone. It's just something I'll have to get over and get used to.

Bane

I don't think it needed to be over the top with a bunch of crying or anything, and I've sort of justified it to myself that they're holding back their emotions because they're in a considerable amount of danger, but something like close up shots of some of the characters fighting back tears with gritted teeth or something would have helped. I just don't think they really thought that part through well enough, and it's very strange because it's so obvious: these characters would be DEVASTATED to see Harry dead and yet none of them seem to be. I don't know if it's just poor direction or bad acting, but it wasn't handled well.

HPfangirl4life

^ i agree with this but i loved neville's speech when he says "they didn't die in vain....but you will!" i get chills everytime

Bane

So yeah, that kind of killed the scene for me, as it was otherwise very awesome. But it wasn't believable to me at the same time.

Joshie

In the book, everybody was really upset correct?

Mamoun

Well, Ron and hermoine kinda expected it, right?

Joshie

Later everyone, I'm off to see DH2 in IMAX.

Bane

Oh yeah. I think Yates was thinking along the lines of what I just said, about how they're holding back their feelings because they're still in danger and Voldemort is right there, but it would have made a world of difference to just have a couple of shots of like... Ron, Hermione, maybe looking petrified or something... even Luna, you can see her behind Draco, she's just kind of like "whatever." It's very jarring. And you'd think characters like Minerva or Molly would show SOMETHING as they've acted as mother figures to Harry over the years.

It's just... not good. Maybe it will grow on me over time but it's just hard to accept.

Bane

Well, Ron and hermoine kinda expected it, right?

They did, but they're still his best friends and they just stand around looking "upset" instead of emotionally devastated, which they would have been.

Bane

Or maybe they're all waiting or hoping that Harry's not actually dead... I dunno again it's hard to justify. Maybe when it comes out on DVD/Blu-ray it will be interesting to watch the scene carefully and see if there's any good subtle acting going on. I know that sometimes when I have disappointments with stuff at first it's just because I don't notice things.

Lupin

I like it but I'm still trying to get used to his "yeah, we lost Harry tonight" dialogue because it was really... well it was like he didn't care.

I didn't quite get that dialogue either...he's like "but you know? It doesn't matter"...um wtf? What happened to the dialogue from the book? "I'll join you when hell freezes over!"

Umm, gotta say you guys take that sentence a bit out of contex, what follows that line is what actually makes it okay, even good!

Lupin

Or maybe they're all waiting or hoping that Harry's not actually dead... I dunno again it's hard to justify. Maybe when it comes out on DVD/Blu-ray it will be interesting to watch the scene carefully and see if there's any good subtle acting going on. I know that sometimes when I have disappointments with stuff at first it's just because I don't notice things.

I actually see at least Hermione, Ron, George with very sad eyes!

Jason

Madam Pomfrey was the only one crying. :P

I think everyone was just emotionally drained. They all spent a long time looking for dead bodies and grieving lost friends. If I was them, I don't think I would be crying either. I'll be sad, shocked, mad about his death, but I wouldn't be shedding tears until later on when I realize he's dead.

AllStar87

Madam Pomfrey was the only one crying. :P

I think everyone was just emotionally drained. They all spent a long time looking for dead bodies and grieving lost friends. If I was them, I don't think I would be crying either. I'll be sad, shocked, mad about his death, but I wouldn't be shedding tears until later on when I realize he's dead.

Couldn't have said it better myself!

Jason

Why is the thread not bumping to the top? Weird.

Nick

i loved neville,s speech definitely a highlighlight for me

TheDoctor

I thought McGonagall looked pretty devastated.

Obliviator

Well Hermione and Ron in the movie already knew what he was going to go do. And not to mention that they were still all on his side. All but Draco refused to join them even at there lowest point. And Draco didn't even want to go. *shudders at the thought of getting a hug from Voldemort*

Nick

lmao at the hug it was a ROFL Moment

Richard

lmao at the hug it was a ROFL Moment

agreed

Niffler

I wanted the screaming McGonagall from the book. Not in a morbid way, but Maggie Smith was one of the best actresses they had in this series and was one of the scene stealers for the last film. She could easily have done it!

What I wanted from that scene was Voldemort trying to hex people and failing because Harry DIED for them. I mean, why did this film cut out all the stuff about people caring for each other. The point of that final battle is that Voldemort still never learnt - he doesnt realise he was foiled because Snape loved Lily, and didn't realise Harry would be prepared to die for those people and what it would mean. I wanted to see the hexes stop working and the hogwarts people breaking free and yelling. Neville was awesome, but the directors gave him no back up!

Obliviator

^ I agree. Had I not read the book before seeing the film, I would've been confused as to why Harry didn't even die in the first place. Though, my biggest pet peeve about the last one was that Harry didn't fix his wand

Lord Stafford

I don't really like the speech, it could have been so much better, affecting, and thought provoking. It ended with with a line that didn't make sense, as it had no resonance to anything that Voldy had said.

Lord Stafford.

blackvenom

I adored Voldemort's grin during Neville's speech. Lol, Fiennes was amazing in that scene.

Anyway, I really don't know what to say about this sequence as well. Ginny reacts well, but after that everyone looks shocked. But you do get the vibe: 'Um, do they really care about Harry?'

I think that the reason why Yates approached this scene in this specific way is probably because the audiences knew that Harry was alive, so it would have been a bit too much and melodramatic to see these characters shouting and crying heavily. From what I've understood, Yates wants subtlety and Draco's face, as well as McGonagall's and Pomfrey's were fantastic. Stoic but deeply emotional.
Hermione's reaction after Harry reveals himself was a fantastic touch as well.

I am all for subtlety, I dislike films with emotional breakdowns because they're kind of campy and over the top, but we needed some more reactions from the Hogwartians.
But what we got was good. Imagine yourself in this situation. Having lost friends and allies. Then Harry was dead and Voldemort was there threatening you. I don't think I would have cried as well. It's too much to handle, I would just stand there with a completely petrified face.

tomnom94

^I completely agree

Braveheart

Well the problem with the movie is everybody reacts exactly the same, with the exception of Ginny. There are about 100 people there, and their reaction is almost identical. That just feels so false and articficial. People all have different reactions - some would scream and cry and breakdown, others would cry silently, while others would just be too shocked and drained to elicit an emotional response. In the movie pretty much everyone is just like "Huh". With the exception of Ginny, and McGonagall, who at least had tears in her eyes. Where was Yates with his famous character moments there? Surely that is one of the scenes where the opportunity for character moments is at its highest.

It might also be worth noting that Rupert was CGI in that scene, so it would be very hard for him to pull of an emotional response. However I got deja vu in this scene. It reminded me of the scene in HBP where they all discover Dumbledore's body. The response was so jarring. This was supposed to be the most powerful wizard of his age, and yet nobody seemed the slightest bit surprised that he had just turned up dead. Other things make that scene sad, but not a single person seemed upset at all.

Maybe Yates goes for subtelty, but at some point there has to be a big release of emotion, otherwise the movie feels emotionally unsatisfying. HBP needed it and so did Part 2. It seems to me that after OOTP, where Harry really let go with his reaction to Sirius's death, Yates reined the raw, visceral emotional moments in and made them far less raw. It's a shame because there was so much potential.

Lord Stafford

I remember hearing rumours of Spielberg, Del Toro or Cuaron directing DH, and i'm starting to feel that it would have been better that way. 'So much potential' and whilst this is a good film, some... no, alot of it's mishaps are incredibly detrimental and upsetting to me, so much so that it stops the movie from being great. Given that this is the finale, it did fall short in many areas.

Lord Stafford.

Marie_Anette

Well the problem with the movie is everybody reacts exactly the same, with the exception of Ginny. There are about 100 people there, and their reaction is almost identical. That just feels so false and articficial. People all have different reactions - some would scream and cry and breakdown, others would cry silently, while others would just be too shocked and drained to elicit an emotional response. In the movie pretty much everyone is just like "Huh". With the exception of Ginny, and McGonagall, who at least had tears in her eyes. Where was Yates with his famous character moments there? Surely that is one of the scenes where the opportunity for character moments is at its highest.

It might also be worth noting that Rupert was CGI in that scene, so it would be very hard for him to pull of an emotional response. However I got deja vu in this scene. It reminded me of the scene in HBP where they all discover Dumbledore's body. The response was so jarring. This was supposed to be the most powerful wizard of his age, and yet nobody seemed the slightest bit surprised that he had just turned up dead. Other things make that scene sad, but not a single person seemed upset at all.

Maybe Yates goes for subtelty, but at some point there has to be a big release of emotion, otherwise the movie feels emotionally unsatisfying. HBP needed it and so did Part 2. It seems to me that after OOTP, where Harry really let go with his reaction to Sirius's death, Yates reined the raw, visceral emotional moments in and made them far less raw. It's a shame because there was so much potential.

I agree, although for me, the part when Dumbledore died was pretty ok. I did expect a bit more.. emotional response but it was good enough. Maybe that's also because every time I watch that part I burst into tears, but oh well )

Braveheart

I think without the music in Dumbledore's scene, it wouldn't be nearly as emotional. When you take it as just the reactions, it's really lacking, besides McGonagall and Hermione's reactions.

Lord Stafford

I think without the music in Dumbledore's scene, it wouldn't be nearly as emotional. When you take it as just the reactions, it's really lacking, besides McGonagall and Hermione's reactions.

A crying face doesn't mean that it is emotional, does it? This scene severely lacked in emotion!

Lord Stafford.

Pumpkinjuice

^ I agree it lacked in emotion, and Dan's sobbing was not really convincing...at least not for me.

Lord Stafford

It wasn't, anyone who says different is delusional. Dan can't really cry, can he? This was further proof of that after POA!

Lord Stafford.

Marie_Anette

^ I agree it lacked in emotion, and Dan's sobbing was not really convincing...at least not for me.

Oh that yes. definitely agree.

Firefly

It wasn't, anyone who says different is delusional. Dan can't really cry, can he? This was further proof of that after POA!

Lord Stafford.

His scream in OOTP when Sirius dies is however, sublime.

Lord Stafford

It wasn't, anyone who says different is delusional. Dan can't really cry, can he? This was further proof of that after POA!

Lord Stafford.

His scream in OOTP when Sirius dies is however, sublime.

You can't even hear it.

Lord Stafford.

Lord Stafford

sorry stafford but voldemorts procession speech was so pathetic, i really facepalmed at the "deaaaahahaaad" moment

What are you sorry for? I feel the same for sure, Voldy was trying out a comedy act, by the sound of it!

Lord Stafford.

Marie_Anette

sorry stafford but voldemorts procession speech was so pathetic, i really facepalmed at the "deaaaahahaaad" moment

Omg everyone laughed so hard when he did that )
I died

Lord Stafford

It wasn't, anyone who says different is delusional. Dan can't really cry, can he? This was further proof of that after POA!

Lord Stafford.

His scream in OOTP when Sirius dies is however, sublime.

You can't even hear it.

Lord Stafford.

thats whats so good about it!

I've got to admit, that is true.

Lord Stafford.

Braveheart

Well they did silence Dan's scream because it was deemed too intense. :-|

Lord Stafford

sorry stafford but voldemorts procession speech was so pathetic, i really facepalmed at the "deaaaahahaaad" moment

Omg everyone laughed so hard when he did that )
I died

It was a... no, just no moment. Along with many of Voldy's actions in that scene. :-|

Lord Stafford.

Marie_Anette

Well they did silence Dan's scream because it was deemed too intense. :-|

what a stupid reason

Lord Stafford

Well they did silence Dan's scream because it was deemed too intense. :-|

Perhaps it was deemed 'too' pathetic, since he can't do that kind of stuff.

Lord Stafford.

Marie_Anette

sorry stafford but voldemorts procession speech was so pathetic, i really facepalmed at the "deaaaahahaaad" moment

Omg everyone laughed so hard when he did that )
I died

It was a... no, just no moment. Along with many of Voldy's actions in that scene. :-|

Lord Stafford.

There were quite a few "...no" moments in the last movie, I have to say. Moments that just made me feel really awkward watching them rather than get the right feeling.

Braveheart

Nah it does look really intense. But then he needed someone like Gary Oldman to come up and scare the shit out of him to give a good performance in that scene. :-))

There was also that scene of Harry throwing stones into the lake after the battle, when he's just there all bloody and crying. From what we've seen of that scene, with Dan's expression, it actually looks like it could have been some of his best acting; however, it was cut and we'll likely never see it.

Lord Stafford

@Jordy

Good point. Cringeworthy galore. :-bd

Lord Stafford.

Braveheart

I know everyone says the idea of Voldemort hugging Draco awkwardly was good because it showed Voldemort didn't know love. In theory, yes, the idea is excellent; I imagine it worked wonderfully on paper. In practice and execution however, it did not work at all and should have been cut. I don't care if the intent behind the scene was clever, it just didn't work.

Lord Stafford

@Braveheart

What was that? I haven't seen it! =P~

Lord Stafford.

Lord Stafford

I know everyone says the idea of Voldemort hugging Draco awkwardly was good because it showed Voldemort didn't know love. In theory, yes, the idea is excellent; I imagine it worked wonderfully on paper. In practice and execution however, it did not work at all and should have been cut. I don't care if the intent behind the scene was clever, it just didn't work.

Absolutely right.

Lord Stafford.