The Official Snape and Lily Thread:

XDMorsmordreXD

Forever :-))

xMIKEx

Um..

XDMorsmordreXD

Um..

GTFO, asshole......

Lord Stafford

As Hermione would say, why didn't i think of this? How could i be so stupid!

Lord Stafford.

Richard

yay!

XDMorsmordreXD

As Hermione would say, why didn't i think of this? How could i be so stupid!

Lord Stafford.

LOL
How could I be SO SHTUPID

XDMorsmordreXD

:0& :-j

Your not a Snape/Lily fan lol?

XDMorsmordreXD

:0& :-j

Your not a Snape/Lily fan lol?

Best thing about The Prince's Tale chapter is the chapter art

http://images.wikia.com/harrypotter/images/9/97/The_Prince's_Tale.jpg

LOL, Petunia!

xMIKEx

Um..

GTFO, asshole......

wtf is your problem.?

SwedishSkinJer

You can't take The Prince's Tale out of DH and have the same book. Regardless of how you feel about Snape (and you don't have to like him to acknowledge his role in the story), the entire chapter provides a greater context for certain events in the story. Without them, the story would not be even remotely the same in several respects. To dismiss the entire chapter kind of misses the point, IMO.

XDMorsmordreXD

Um..

GTFO, asshole......

wtf is your problem.?

GET OUT K

XDMorsmordreXD

You can't take The Prince's Tale out of DH and have the same book. Regardless of how you feel about Snape (and you don't have to like him to acknowledge his role in the story), the entire chapter provides a greater context for certain events in the story. Without them, the story would not be even remotely the same in several respects. To dismiss the entire chapter kind of misses the point, IMO.

=D>

xMIKEx

Um..

GTFO, asshole......

wtf is your problem.?

GET OUT K

hypocrite?

XDMorsmordreXD

Um..

GTFO, asshole......

wtf is your problem.?

GET OUT K

hypocrite?

Asshole.
Always freaking insulting me.
GEt out.

xMIKEx

Um..

GTFO, asshole......

wtf is your problem.?

GET OUT K

hypocrite?

Asshole.
Always freaking insulting me.
GEt out.

ok ill get out , but seriously Ronny what the hell is your deal, i make a comment and you quickly call me an asshole? ii did not insult you in any way and u start insulting me and telling me to get out? seriously, what the fuck is your problem. -.-

XDMorsmordreXD

Um..

GTFO, asshole......

wtf is your problem.?

GET OUT K

hypocrite?

Asshole.
Always freaking insulting me.
GEt out.

ok ill get out , but seriously Ronny what the hell is your deal, i make a comment and you quickly call me an asshole? ii did not insult you in any way and u start insulting me and telling me to get out? seriously, what the fuck is your problem. -.-

Festax0333

Dobby/hedwig for life y'all!

phoenix1

So if Lily had married Snape and they had Harry, does that mean that we'd be calling him Harry Snape :-D

decarus

Lilly didn't like Snape like that ever.

Richard

Ok

XDMorsmordreXD

Lilly didn't like Snape like that ever.

Yes!
It's pretty clear that Lily Evans never 'fancied' Severus EVER!

dobby_freak19

Always...

XDMorsmordreXD

Some people need to re-read the Princes Tale :-|

dobby_freak19

Some people need to re-read the Princes Tale :-|

I know it from memory!! :P

Lord_Darkeyes

Some people need to re-read the Princes Tale :-|

I take that as an insult. I'm aware that Lily didn't love Snape, but they are so cute together, and the tale is just precious. It's np different than people who like H/Hr than R/Hr

aaron

I love Snape/Lily. They are the only tragic romance of the entire series (no Lupin/Tonks cracks, they were underdeveloped.)

decarus

I didn't mean to be insulting. I just really dislike the Prince's Tale. It is not a romance. It is disturbing.

Darth Ledger

This is my favorite part of the whole series. The ability to love someone who can't love you back. Snape is my hero.

dobby_freak19

This is my favorite part of the whole series. The ability to love someone who can't love you back. Snape is my hero.

hahaha that´s my life!! lool
:P yes Snape was awesome!

Accio_Log

This is my favorite part of the whole series. The ability to love someone who can't love you back. Snape is my hero.

My favorite part too. It instantly made Snape my favorite character.

Festax0333

snape/lily isnt a canon ship imo

lily/jamess for me

Nick

agreed lilly never loved snape. The love was one sided.

Darth Ledger

agreed lilly never loved snape. The love was one sided.

She did but not in a romantic way, she might would have if he had stayed away from the dark arts... but nobody can be perfect

decarus

Nobodies perfect? He was a death eater. That is a little bit worse then nobodies perfect. He probably killed people for Voldemort. I mean he was one of his favorites.

Nick

this^ evreyone seems to want to forget this very important fact.

decarus

You know i am never going to be a fan of the Prince's Tale. I did not find it romantic at all. It was interesting seeing Snape's involvement in some of the events over the years. But where it got disturbing for me was two things. One that Snape was the one to pass on the information to Voldemort that eventually leads to James' and Lilly's death. Meaning that he is responsible for their deaths. Two that Snape did not care whether or not baby Harry or James were killed when Voldemort went for the Potters. He didn't care about saving those innocent lives. He only cared about Lilly. He was obsessed with her even though she did not like him in that way ever in the book.

Then he treats Harry terribly throughout school. The movies really soften how badly he treated Harry in the books. The man had no business being a teacher. He never really protects Harry throughout it all. He does in the end spy for the order and makes sure Harry gets the sword but that is it. He never really does anything all that worthwhile in the story. Certainly the negatives are far more then the positives. I guess i would give him credit for protecting the students the year that he was head master.

Then the place that infuriated me when i read the book for the first time was that Harry, whom he had treated so badly, Harry gave Snape's name to one of his sons. That was just disgusting in my opinion. In no way did he deserve that honor.

I have never understood how people can like the Prince's Tale. I know people do but i did not like it at all the first time i read it. I can deal with it more now that i think it was completely one sided and Lilly never liked Snape in that way. It would be an epic fail in my opinion if the films in any way suggest that Lilly liked Snape.

Richard

1. Snape passed the information about a boy being born at the END of july meaning he did NOT know voldemort would target james and Lily..... so he was just being loyal.

2. Why would snape care if thats the guy who fucked with him at hogwarts, he saw him as the guy who took "his" girl.

3. He treats Harry Bad and it could be for many reasons. he could be doing this because he sees james in harry, he feels guilty of ilys death or possibly Dumbledore could be telling him to.

4. There you have it... Harry gave his son snapes name meaning harry understood Snapes reasonings as I do.

5. Princes Tale explains it all if you read very closely. Lily had a chance with snape if snape wasnt into the dark arts (he had reason to be) but in the end, she broke his heart. Which changed him forever. If it wasnt for Lily Snape wouldve been one of Voldemorts most loyal.

Festax0333

Either way il cry in the movie
Just cause Alan Rickman will deliver

dobby_freak19

You know i am never going to be a fan of the Prince's Tale. I did not find it romantic at all. It was interesting seeing Snape's involvement in some of the events over the years. But where it got disturbing for me was two things. One that Snape was the one to pass on the information to Voldemort that eventually leads to James' and Lilly's death. Meaning that he is responsible for their deaths. Two that Snape did not care whether or not baby Harry or James were killed when Voldemort went for the Potters. He didn't care about saving those innocent lives. He only cared about Lilly. He was obsessed with her even though she did not like him in that way ever in the book.

Then he treats Harry terribly throughout school. The movies really soften how badly he treated Harry in the books. The man had no business being a teacher. He never really protects Harry throughout it all. He does in the end spy for the order and makes sure Harry gets the sword but that is it. He never really does anything all that worthwhile in the story. Certainly the negatives are far more then the positives. I guess i would give him credit for protecting the students the year that he was head master.

Then the place that infuriated me when i read the book for the first time was that Harry, whom he had treated so badly, Harry gave Snape's name to one of his sons. That was just disgusting in my opinion. In no way did he deserve that honor.

I have never understood how people can like the Prince's Tale. I know people do but i did not like it at all the first time i read it. I can deal with it more now that i think it was completely one sided and Lilly never liked Snape in that way. It would be an epic fail in my opinion if the films in any way suggest that Lilly liked Snape.

I love the Prince´s tale. I think it´s a tragic story...yes, He wasnt a hero, but he was essential to the plot in many ways, he might have been selfish and just protect harry for his love to lily, yes, he might have not like harry at all....but he was the key to harrys victory, he helped him, wether for his own reasons, or to redeem himself to lily´s memory, but he helped harry....so this was essential in the end. Also, Voldemort´s trust in him was very important...Also, one of the most important things at the end is that Snape really does regret everything he did in his life!! Thats a powerful feeling, I think the remorse is even worst than the sadness because it goes beyond that...It´s a strong feeling thatcan kill you. And Snape died with his heart clean, because in the end he understood his mistakes and did something to guarantee that these would not ruin the harry mission. So yes, he was a controversial caracter, but you cant deny he is one of, if not, the most complex character rowling created, alongside with voldemort and dumbledore

dobby_freak19

Either way il cry in the movie
Just cause Alan Rickman will deliver

He´ll do more than deliver...He will actually bring snape to life Rickman is a god!

Lord_Darkeyes

Snape is the most emotional. most well played out, heartbreaking, and most in-depth fictional character that has ever been thought of in the history of time, and he is portrayed by THE perfect actor, who could make a heartless demon cry.
I Think That Covers It.

Pensieve Seeker

It would be an epic fail in my opinion if the films in any way suggest that Lilly liked Snape.

So, according to you, since Lily didn't like Snape, this would mean she was either indifferent towards or hated him from the time they first met.

Lord_Darkeyes

It would be an epic fail in my opinion if the films in any way suggest that Lilly liked Snape.

So, according to you, since Lily didn't like Snape, this would mean she was either indifferent towards or hated him from the time they first met.

this

decarus

I love the Prince´s tale. I think it´s a tragic story...yes, He wasnt a hero, but he was essential to the plot in many ways, he might have been selfish and just protect harry for his love to lily, yes, he might have not like harry at all....but he was the key to harrys victory, he helped him, wether for his own reasons, or to redeem himself to lily´s memory, but he helped harry....so this was essential in the end. Also, Voldemort´s trust in him was very important...Also, one of the most important things at the end is that Snape really does regret everything he did in his life!! Thats a powerful feeling, I think the remorse is even worst than the sadness because it goes beyond that...It´s a strong feeling thatcan kill you. And Snape died with his heart clean, because in the end he understood his mistakes and did something to guarantee that these would not ruin the harry mission. So yes, he was a controversial caracter, but you cant deny he is one of, if not, the most complex character rowling created, alongside with voldemort and dumbledore.

I think that Snape isn't a real character. At least the only way he seems even partially real to me is if i think of him as mentally ill and we know he was abused in some way as a child so that could be part of it. I do agree that in the end he regrets deeply the fact that he is responsible for Lilly's death but like Dumbledore said to Snape he kept the best of himself secret. He regrets it but he is still an awful person. Also i don't think that Snape ever actually protects Harry in the story. The order protects him, Ron and Hermione protect him. In the end they are heroes. And Snape gets points for spying for the order. He also gave Harry the sword which was helpfully but was something that they could have gotten around in the end. Like i said i think his greatest action was probably protecting the students the year he was headmaster because i think if not for him students would have gotten killed. I still think the kids in the story, in general, are much greater heroes then Snape.

I don't think he is all that interesting of a character in the end. I think if she had written him as really a changed man meaning he was actually a better man instead of being terrible until the end then maybe i would have felt he was redeemed. It just wasn't enough for me. He was good to Dumbledore in the end but even Dumbledore didn't trust him completely. It just wasn't enough. I hated it when i first read it.

So, according to you, since Lily didn't like Snape, this would mean she was either indifferent towards or hated him from the time they first met.

No. I never said Lilly was indifferent or hated Snape. They were friends. She never liked him like a girl likes a boy. And that is according to the book not according to me. There is no indication in the book that Lilly ever thought of Snape in that way.

TheDoctor

Snape actually does protect Harry a few instances in the story though. I agree with some of what you said especially about the way he treats Harry in school and all that. But he does save Harry in Quidditch, he's described as running really fast to the Shrieking Shack to save Harry who he thinks is in the company of a convicted murderer who wants to kill him, he attempts to stop Harry and co. going to the Department of Mysteries in OoTP, and he stops the DEs from hurting Harry anymore in HBP.

TheDoctor

The part where I get the most mad at Snape in the entire series is during Occlumecy lessons. I mean that was such an important thing and Snape couldn't just get over his grudges for that.

Vince

Snape can be very immature, yes, but I don't think he was ever evil, or truly bad the way Voldemort is. I would argue Bellatrix is like that-- evil. Lucius Malfoy... Is an odd character. I thought in the end, it was not cowardice, but love for his family, that turned him away from Voldemort. He decided that his family was worth more. He can love: thus, not truly evil. Even Bellatrix is not evil in the way Voldemort is evil. However, the one great difference between Harry and Voldemort was that Harry could love, while Voldemort could not: perhaps the reason Voldemort was so evil as his inability to love, and underestimating love was where he found himself failing many times. In any case, Snape's love for Lily is what redeemed him: that was surely Rowling's intention. I don't think Snape is a perfect, heroic character. He's an antihero. A tragic one, at that. But at the same time, just think for a moment about the childhood he struggled through, how Lily was the only person who truly cared about him, who was a true friend, and you might understand a little more about why he was so "obsessed" with her. It depends on the individual's interpretation but I never saw it so much as a sick obsession as him obsessing because she was the only thing he really loved. I know that feeling. And it is not sick, although it can destroy you. In any case, I feel that's what Snape was like.

And also, Snape was one of Voldemort's favourites, if not his FAVOURITE at one point, because he was lying to him, because he was purposefully doing things to make himself appear loyal so as to help Harry and Dumbledore. I like to think he became rather disillusioned after Lily was murdered. Yes, he was the one who told Voldemort of the prophecy, but he had no way of knowing what it would mean, and I would think his reaction when he learned what it would entail was proof that he felt extreme guilt and regret.

I'd also like to say that if anyone dislikes Snape, they should also dislike Sirius, who was in some ways equally immature, held grudges just the same, and was rather obsessed with James and the idea that Harry was like having his best friend back. Very much toned down in the movies, but all the same, very true.

decarus

Just because Snape didn't know what would happen when he told the prophecy to Voldemort does not mean he isn't responsible for what happened because he did that. If he had never told Voldemort that prophecy then Voldemort would not have specifically gone after the Potters. I agree that Sirius was also sort of disturbing at times in the books though he was never a death eater like Snape. Also he was in Azkaban for many years and Snape was what bullied as a kid. I know people want to say that Snape didn't do evil but i think that we have to except that he was a death eater and most likely he was involved in killing people for Voldemort.

Voldemort is like a sociopath. He doesn't feel bad about anything he does. Snape felt bad about it at least once his life was threatened and once Lilly's life was threatened.

Richard

the only part where i was pissedvat snape was when he didnt care about baby harry

Nick

umm yea snape was bad but turned out good

superpotterfan

Snape is a complex character.. I think that he is neither nor good or bad.. This is what I love from J.K. Rowling.. all the characters have flaws, (of course some dont go to extremes) we are not even certain if Dumbledore actually loved Harry..

Who wasnt shocked with the Prince Tales?!?!? I was shocked and I could not stop crying! I could not believe that Snape had always loved Lily and that Dumbledore wasnt that goody person we all believed he was!

Of course, I'll cry a LOT in that part of the movie..