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Are the movies as good as the books??

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  • NO! NO! NO! NO! NO! The books are soooooooo much better than the films! J.K Rowling has an amazing imagenation. I love how far she goes and how she thought about things such as characters histories even if she didnt write about them in the books.
    The reason i think the films are sooo disappointing is because they have none of Rowling’s attention to detail. Things change from film to film. One big reason for this is because of the change in director after the second film. An example of this is Professor Flitwick!! The casting of him in the first film was prefect!! Who is this new guy (no offence to the actor at all) and why has he suddenly become younger? He is not a metamorphmagus!
    Another thing that annoys me about the films, is how things are added in that are not even in the books! This is especially irritating because they have to cut out soo much of Rowling’s excellent writing. So why put in things that don’t happen? This then means there is less time for what actually does happen! You don’t need to make thing’s funnier because she’s made it funny enough! You don’t need to make things scarier because it’s scary enough. It’s perfect, so stop changing it!!
    One example of this is how much is not explained about the Horcruxes in the 6th film. Dumbledore and harry’s relationship becomes much stronger during the HBP because of how much they learn together (which makes dumbledore’s death even more upsetting). How are they going to explain about what harry needs to do in the final instalment? Dumbledore is gone so he can’t help harry discover/ show harry about the sword or the snake or anything.
    My feel that Dumbledore’s character is not dealt with very well in the films later. He would never shout at harry. For example in the film OOTF, he runs in and grabs harry by the scurf of the neck and aggressively asks his if he put his name in the goblet of fire. HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT! I was also disappointed about with dumbledore’s reaction to drinking the potion in the basin in the cave scene. I imagined his to be much more helpless, crying and clutching onto harry for help. The contract was not enough, it made me cry in the book but not in the film.
    I know the films will never live up to my imagination but because they books are soo good i would have thought the films would be better than they are.
    I just wanna say RIP to Richard Harris, a great Dumbledore!
  • one more thing! what is it with Umbridge in the 5th film?! there is way tooo much of the changing rules (Filch going up and down that stupid ladder) and trying to find the room of requirment! it was a waist of presious film time!!
  • another thing:
    Why is Crouch Jr. in the first scene in the 4th film?!! It ruins the whole film!! You're not supposed to know who he is until the end when Dumbledore make's him drink Veritaserum!! But then i suppose they didnt have Winky or Dobby in the flim so...
    It's just things like that that make the films not as good. Because for me the journey of book 4 was trying to figure out who was doing all these things! But u get told in the first scene in the film. :(
  • {W~C}{W~C} Posts: 288
    [quote=mimi.dolphin][/quote]I quite agree, I was shocked when Dumbledore had a spac-atack at harry because his name came ot of the goblet, the book potrays dumbledore much more kindly then in the movie.
  • dobby1dobby1 Posts: 9
    edited September 2009
    hell no the books have so much more info the movies are good for visuals but the books allow you to create the scene in your head .
  • xeraphxeraph Posts: 102
    thank you mimi.dolphin, you are quite right! Now who the hell writes these scripts? They should have actual fans do it, it would be alot better.
  • Wilbo421Wilbo421 Posts: 1,157
    edited September 2009
    [quote=xeraph]They should have actual fans do it, it would be alot better.[/quote]

    Most fans don't have a clue how to write screenplays, so I really don't think it would be.

    Besides, Steve Kloves is a fan. He doesn't like taking things out of from the book. But he knows that he must.

    Steve Kloves = A fan who knows what he's doing. Any other type of fan would screw it up, just like Columbus did, only on a much bigger scale.
  • xeraphxeraph Posts: 102
    [quote=Wilbo421]Most fans don't have a clue how to write screenplays, so I really don't think it would be.[/quote]

    dude, chill! I wasn't talking about just any fan off the street. I was talking about a screen writer that is a fan and follows the series. (books)
    Steve Kloves is alright, but I still think that there is better scripts out there, can't really blame Kloves either cause scripts are changed to the producer and directors liking also.

    [quote=Wilbo421]He doesn't like taking things out of from the book. But he knows that he must.[/quote]

    Are you kidding me? C'mon man! Of course he must takes things from the book, the movie is being made after the frigen book. There would be no Harry Potter if he was never created in the BOOKS! You understand. **He doesn't like taking things out from the books** hahaha!
  • Wilbo421Wilbo421 Posts: 1,157
    I'm perfectly relaxed, I was just saying, most fans won't know what they're doing. Steve Kloves is both a fan and a screenwriter, which is all you asked for.

    And seriously? You think the books should be left 100% the same? Things don't translate well that way, which is why all book adaptations venture from the story in little ways. Plus, uh...what the hell sort of time do you think these films should be running at? Anything over three hours is a bit ridiculous.

    And you know Steve Kloves actually writes a first draft that has as much as he can fit in. And then the director's tell him to change things, and he does it, if somewhat "grudgingly" (too strong a word, but can't think of anything else)? Even Jo Rowling knows things need changing. It's inevitable, with any book to film adaptation. She requested that all Steve Kloves did was keep the characters as they are in the books, but otherwise she was perfectly fine with changes.
  • xeraphxeraph Posts: 102
    Yeah, I know that writers usually have to change scripts to what the director and producers want. And true everything in the book can't be put into the movies. Which brings us to the topic in which this discussion was started, Are the movies as good as the books? No way! Great visuals the movies have but other than that, the books are way better. Still, I am a fan so I do enjoy the films, but the books, priceless!
  • NO WAY! The book totaaaaaaly rocks! I felt that too many parts have been missed out in the 6th movie. To be honest, I was disgusted with the movie because a whole chunk of the book had been taken out and replaced with other parts, but my Mum said that if the director and producers actually followed the book, the whole movie will last for more than 3 hours. I don't give a damn! I don't care! I'll sit in the cinema for 3 hours, not complaining.

    Most of my friends don't read the book and they say, " The movie's friggin' awesome!"
  • hp4gwhp4gw Posts: 379
    yeah, dude, I'd sit in the cinema for 24 hours if they got it just right - like, even if they kept little things like Ginny's fight with Ron and Harry actually realising, half way through, like he's supposed to!, that he loves Ginny!
    i'd love, also, if they kept Ginny's little thing with Fred and George at the beginning - though I REALLII liked how they did that with a shot of Harry's reaction, but Harry isnt supposed to like her that way at that point!
    Though, saying that, I did really love how they hugged at the beginning and then like realised that they'd never done that before - they were just really excited to see each other - yayy!
    Just little things like that - and the Harry VS Draco sectumsempra scene was a tad...i dunno, I looved how they did it and everything but I didnt like how Harry's expression, ya know when he said 'I know what you did, Malfoy', and Draco turns round and it's like Harry looks a bit like, he has a bit of a murderous expression without emotion...ya know what I mean?
    Saying that, I really liked the Felix Felicis scene - haha ! and the pincers! ROFLMAO!
    Lavender Brown is my HERO! I love her more than I love her boyfriend haha - well, EX now, but whatever - hehe - Hermione and Harry's scene was sooo cute! I loved the way they were practically confessing to each other - though I hated it at first, cause she's not supposed to TELL Harry that she loves Ron - and even at this point he isnt even SURE that he loves Ginny - so w/e - maybe that is just me reading into it a bit much
    but i loved it the 3rd time round hehe
    it showed that, to all you H/HR shippers - let's get one thing straight:::::

    HARRY AND HERMIONE ARE NEVER GOING TO BE TOGETHER!!

    thank yooh and good night! xxx

    p.s. dont even get me STARTED on the memory scenes - and the DE was relli gd - even if barely there, you could feel their presence hehe
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, simply no.
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  • yonythemoonyyonythemoony Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2011
    Makes me laugh all the people saying "THE BOOOOOOOOOKS ARE AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" " THE MOVIES ARE SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTT". Ungrateful purists. Even Jo hates them, she said that though the films can be six hours long, they're still going to complain.
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2011
    Makes me laugh all the people saying "THE BOOOOOOOOOKS ARE AWESOMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" " THE MOVIES ARE SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTT". Ungrateful purists.
    Nah, the books are amazing.
    And no one said the movies are shit.
    They know the books are better :D
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of these comments really show a complete lack of understanding for cinema. They just want to copy and paste the book onto screen. Not how it works.

    Of course the books are better. Do I find some scenes and sequences in the films better than the books? Sure. Do I think as a whole they are better? No. And it's quite pointless to compare. One is film and one is literature.
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of these comments really show a complete lack of understanding for cinema. They just want to copy and paste the book onto screen. Not how it works.

    Of course the books are better. Do I find some scenes and sequences in the films better than the books? Sure. Do I think as a whole they are better? No. And it's quite pointless to compare. One is film and one is literature.
    Which scenes?
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of these comments really show a complete lack of understanding for cinema. They just want to copy and paste the book onto screen. Not how it works.

    Of course the books are better. Do I find some scenes and sequences in the films better than the books? Sure. Do I think as a whole they are better? No. And it's quite pointless to compare. One is film and one is literature.
    Which scenes?
    Harry vs Voldemort in DH2. Much better final battle than what the book gave. That's just one of quite a few. In the end, the book are the true story, but the films are marvelous and have scenes that are cinematic wonders.
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2011
    Some of these comments really show a complete lack of understanding for cinema. They just want to copy and paste the book onto screen. Not how it works.

    Of course the books are better. Do I find some scenes and sequences in the films better than the books? Sure. Do I think as a whole they are better? No. And it's quite pointless to compare. One is film and one is literature.
    Which scenes?
    Harry vs Voldemort in DH2. Much better final battle than what the book gave. That's just one of quite a few. In the end, the book are the true story, but the films are marvelous and have scenes that are cinematic wonders.
    Books = True Story
    Films = Marvelous and Have Scenes That Are Cinematic Wonders

    Ugh.
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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    The movies are sooo much better :)
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of these comments really show a complete lack of understanding for cinema. They just want to copy and paste the book onto screen. Not how it works.

    Of course the books are better. Do I find some scenes and sequences in the films better than the books? Sure. Do I think as a whole they are better? No. And it's quite pointless to compare. One is film and one is literature.
    Which scenes?
    Harry vs Voldemort in DH2. Much better final battle than what the book gave. That's just one of quite a few. In the end, the book are the true story, but the films are marvelous and have scenes that are cinematic wonders.
    Books = True Story
    Films = Marvelous and Have Scenes That Are Cinematic Wonders

    Ugh.
    What's "ugh" about that?
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of these comments really show a complete lack of understanding for cinema. They just want to copy and paste the book onto screen. Not how it works.

    Of course the books are better. Do I find some scenes and sequences in the films better than the books? Sure. Do I think as a whole they are better? No. And it's quite pointless to compare. One is film and one is literature.
    Which scenes?
    Harry vs Voldemort in DH2. Much better final battle than what the book gave. That's just one of quite a few. In the end, the book are the true story, but the films are marvelous and have scenes that are cinematic wonders.
    Books = True Story
    Films = Marvelous and Have Scenes That Are Cinematic Wonders

    Ugh.
    What's "ugh" about that?
    Your words make it seem like the movies are so much better.
    The movies are sooo much better :)

    Well, I've known this about you for a long time.
    :D
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some of these comments really show a complete lack of understanding for cinema. They just want to copy and paste the book onto screen. Not how it works.

    Of course the books are better. Do I find some scenes and sequences in the films better than the books? Sure. Do I think as a whole they are better? No. And it's quite pointless to compare. One is film and one is literature.
    Which scenes?
    Harry vs Voldemort in DH2. Much better final battle than what the book gave. That's just one of quite a few. In the end, the book are the true story, but the films are marvelous and have scenes that are cinematic wonders.
    Books = True Story
    Films = Marvelous and Have Scenes That Are Cinematic Wonders

    Ugh.
    What's "ugh" about that?
    Your words make it seem like the movies are so much better.
    The movies are sooo much better :)

    Well, I've known this about you for a long time.
    :D
    I clearly said they weren't though. I wasn't describing the books and then describing the films, loll, I was just saying the true story is in the books; the cinematic spectacle is in the film.
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like you Martin. I'm just going to shut up because I'm not speaking sense.
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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Yeah every single movie is so much better, like every scene from the movie trumps the books.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like you Martin. I'm just going to shut up because I'm not speaking sense.
    ...?
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like you Martin. I'm just going to shut up because I'm not speaking sense.
    ...?
    I just need to not argue about the books/films anymore.
    It makes me seem like a Stafford.
    The films are great! I'm very appreciative of them. Sometimes, I just seek a debate.
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like you Martin. I'm just going to shut up because I'm not speaking sense.
    ...?
    I just need to not argue about the books/films anymore.
    It makes me seem like a Stafford.
    The films are great! I'm very appreciative of them. Sometimes, I just seek a debate.
    You aren't at all being like that though Morse! You didn't say: "You're wrong" and I didn't say that to you either!

    And I'm not arguing them, I'm just making a case that the movies are great. The books are our true source of everything, our Holy Grail, loll. They won't ever be topped :D
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like you Martin. I'm just going to shut up because I'm not speaking sense.
    ...?
    I just need to not argue about the books/films anymore.
    It makes me seem like a Stafford.
    The films are great! I'm very appreciative of them. Sometimes, I just seek a debate.
    You aren't at all being like that though Morse! You didn't say: "You're wrong" and I didn't say that to you either!

    And I'm not arguing them, I'm just making a case that the movies are great. The books are our true source of everything, our Holy Grail, loll. They won't ever be topped :D
    I know.
    I just need to stop with this sometimes.
    Don't hate me lol.
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like you Martin. I'm just going to shut up because I'm not speaking sense.
    ...?
    I just need to not argue about the books/films anymore.
    It makes me seem like a Stafford.
    The films are great! I'm very appreciative of them. Sometimes, I just seek a debate.
    You aren't at all being like that though Morse! You didn't say: "You're wrong" and I didn't say that to you either!

    And I'm not arguing them, I'm just making a case that the movies are great. The books are our true source of everything, our Holy Grail, loll. They won't ever be topped :D
    I know.
    I just need to stop with this sometimes.
    Don't hate me lol.
    Loll, I don't hate you :p
  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In all honesty, I think Harry vs. Voldemort was amazingly improved for the screen! :D
    I do love the book's confirmation as well though.
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  • Toini01Toini01 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭
    Impossible to say knowing that comparing books to movie isn't possible.
    For exemple :
    -In the book you get a lot of details about everything.
    -In the movie, you get to see what something from the book looks like according to the autor/director...

    The only question we can ask ourselves is : is what you see in the movie (ex : Hogwarts) what you imagined it to be in the book or even better ?
    If your answer is yes, then it means the movie did half of his job.
    If it's no, then it failed in half of his job.

    Imo the movies did most of the things great.
    When I read Harry Potter 1, I thought Hogwarts was on a completely flat landscape, a casttle with two towers and just a few corridors...
    Without the movies, my thoughts about Harry Potter would have been less good because I would have imagined Hogwarts as a small castle which has almost no value.

    I think that what makes a lot of people feel that the book is better than the movie is their expectations.
    When you read the book you can't wait to know how it ends.
    When you watch the movie, you can't wait to see which scenes from the book are kept/deleted/changed...

    Imagine there was no book and everything you discover is in the movie.

    I'm pretty sure half of the people would enjoy it ten times more.

    My answer to the topic : impossible to compear.
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    I miss Wilbo421.
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  • yonythemoonyyonythemoony Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Impossible to say knowing that comparing books to movie isn't possible.
    For exemple :
    -In the book you get a lot of details about everything.
    -In the movie, you get to see what something from the book looks like according to the autor/director...

    The only question we can ask ourselves is : is what you see in the movie (ex : Hogwarts) what you imagined it to be in the book or even better ?
    If your answer is yes, then it means the movie did half of his job.
    If it's no, then it failed in half of his job.

    Imo the movies did most of the things great.
    When I read Harry Potter 1, I thought Hogwarts was on a completely flat landscape, a casttle with two towers and just a few corridors...
    Without the movies, my thoughts about Harry Potter would have been less good because I would have imagined Hogwarts as a small castle which has almost no value.

    I think that what makes a lot of people feel that the book is better than the movie is their expectations.
    When you read the book you can't wait to know how it ends.
    When you watch the movie, you can't wait to see which scenes from the book are kept/deleted/changed...

    Imagine there was no book and everything you discover is in the movie.

    I'm pretty sure half of the people would enjoy it ten times more.

    My answer to the topic : impossible to compear.
    =D> =D> =D> =D>
  • yonythemoonyyonythemoony Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will add, that the real thing with a adaptation is to keep the same storyline and characters. All the eight films have achieved that. The only problem is that when Jo started to make the books larger, parts of the storyline must be changed to fit it. The problem with this it's when they cut stuff that really matters to the plot.


    About the films, the best thing was to read the details from the test screening, to know beforehand, what are the changes of the plot, so I can go and watch the film now knowing what did they cut, and enjoy what's kept in. That's my biggest issue, people always expect a word-by-word adaptation before watching the film, instead of informing about it, and enjoy what the movie shows about the book.
  • alec96alec96 Posts: 85 ✭✭
    I will add, that the real thing with a adaptation is to keep the same storyline and characters. All the eight films have achieved that. The only problem is that when Jo started to make the books larger, parts of the storyline must be changed to fit it. The problem with this it's when they cut stuff that really matters to the plot.


    About the films, the best thing was to read the details from the test screening, to know beforehand, what are the changes of the plot, so I can go and watch the film now knowing what did they cut, and enjoy what's kept in. That's my biggest issue, people always expect a word-by-word adaptation before watching the film, instead of informing about it, and enjoy what the movie shows about the book.
    I completely agree. I love the movies for what they are. I know they are not the books, but they are still great.

  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    I will add, that the real thing with a adaptation is to keep the same storyline and characters. All the eight films have achieved that. The only problem is that when Jo started to make the books larger, parts of the storyline must be changed to fit it. The problem with this it's when they cut stuff that really matters to the plot.


    About the films, the best thing was to read the details from the test screening, to know beforehand, what are the changes of the plot, so I can go and watch the film now knowing what did they cut, and enjoy what's kept in. That's my biggest issue, people always expect a word-by-word adaptation before watching the film, instead of informing about it, and enjoy what the movie shows about the book.
    I completely agree. I love the movies for what they are. I know they are not the books, but they are still great.

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  • Toini01Toini01 Posts: 791 ✭✭✭
    I will add, that the real thing with a adaptation is to keep the same storyline and characters. All the eight films have achieved that. The only problem is that when Jo started to make the books larger, parts of the storyline must be changed to fit it. The problem with this it's when they cut stuff that really matters to the plot.


    About the films, the best thing was to read the details from the test screening, to know beforehand, what are the changes of the plot, so I can go and watch the film now knowing what did they cut, and enjoy what's kept in. That's my biggest issue, people always expect a word-by-word adaptation before watching the film, instead of informing about it, and enjoy what the movie shows about the book.
    I completely agree. I love the movies for what they are. I know they are not the books, but they are still great.

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    agreed and...

    HAHA awesome pic ! :p

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  • DreamChaser86DreamChaser86 Posts: 40
    I will add, that the real thing with a adaptation is to keep the same storyline and characters. All the eight films have achieved that. The only problem is that when Jo started to make the books larger, parts of the storyline must be changed to fit it. The problem with this it's when they cut stuff that really matters to the plot.


    About the films, the best thing was to read the details from the test screening, to know beforehand, what are the changes of the plot, so I can go and watch the film now knowing what did they cut, and enjoy what's kept in. That's my biggest issue, people always expect a word-by-word adaptation before watching the film, instead of informing about it, and enjoy what the movie shows about the book.
    I completely agree as well. I've learned to separate myself from the books when watching the movies so that I can enjoy the movies for what they are and not wishing them to be what they aren't.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I like you Martin. I'm just going to shut up because I'm not speaking sense.
    ...?
    I just need to not argue about the books/films anymore.
    It makes me seem like a Stafford.
    The films are great! I'm very appreciative of them. Sometimes, I just seek a debate.
    Just, why? There no such thing as 'seeming like a Stafford' You either are one, or you're not.

    Lord Stafford.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Are you condradicting yourself? It sounds like you're saying 'of course they are' and then you're saying 'no' immediately after. I think you mean 'of course not' :P

    Lord Stafford.
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  • HessHess Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I enjoy the films and love the books.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    There's a good boy/girl? ;)

    Lord Stafford.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The movies are as good as the movies and the books are as good as the books. Simple really.
  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    edited January 2012
    The two mediums really cannot be legitimately compared, as film includes visceral and subtle details, whereas books have the time and space to include lengthy passages and go into great detail. However, if I had to pick which experience is more enjoyable, I'd say the books, particularly because they immerse me into the world much more than the films do. That does not mean, however, that the films aren't EXCELLENT--they capture the books' tone and details expertly on film.
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  • yonythemoonyyonythemoony Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The two mediums really cannot be legitimately compared, as film includes visceral and subtle details, whereas books have the time and space to include lengthy passages and go into great detail. However, if I had to pick which experience is more enjoyable, I'd say the books, particularly because they immerse me into the world much more than the films do. That does not mean, however, that the films aren't EXCELLENT--they capture the books' tone and details expertly on film.

    THIS! When this pathetic discusion is going to end? If a movie from a original source is well made and It allows you to enjoy the original source in another medium, then it's great. I can enjoy all The eight HP movies, from The closest to the most distant from J.K's books. I enjoy what the movie shows about the books.and how it gives it life.

  • OOOHHH NOOOOO. To much was left out of the movies. Movies are great and all, just not as good as the books.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    OOOHHH NOOOOO. To much was left out of the movies. Movies are great and all, just not as good as the books.
    Well why does it matter if stuff was left out of the book? The books are books and the movies are movies. Look at them as separate entities and do you still have major problems?
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