YATES and DAY: STYLE over SUBSTANCE????

starl

Having just what is probably my FAVOURITE deleted scene of all time! I need to ask the question!

Are Yates and Day all about style over substance?!

That scene with petunia was just beautiful!

Whilst the opening montage is good, i dont think this scene shoulc have been left out!

Ash

No.

starl

PRODUCTIVE

Ash

Indeed.

chace483

i think its fine left out. it would have just been out of place, i think. it's a great scene though.

aaron

Unlike Cuaron, Yates knows how to use style to enhance the substance in the film. He blends the two, makes the film very stylish while not forgetting about the storyline and characters.

Cuaron created an immense, stylish world but forgot about the character development and created a lazy story that was propelled forward by simply the style of the film.

Bane

Oh, god...

Nick

it wont be long before this thread turns into lets bash yates and mark day.....sigh

Mamoun

Wow, I may understand the usual criticism for David Yates, including pacing, editing...etc but I have never ever thought someone would say that Yates prefer style over substance, that would be Cuaron.

jphufflepuff

Here's the thing, the scene, while wonderfully written and acted, does not in any way affect the story. The Dursleys have been completely out of the picture since 2007 and they haven't played nearly as big a role in the films as they did in the books.

I'm sorry but it wouldn't have dramatically altered the film one way or another.

Furthermore, its actually a scene that didn't happen in the book, so if it was in the film, people would probably just complain that they were adding stuff again.

The one scene I will concede altered the film with its exclusion was the line "She's like a sister, I thought you knew." I will agree that taking those lines out was a huge mistake. For most other issues though, I love Yates and how he handles the films.

GinaC

The one scene I will concede altered the film with its exclusion was the line "She's like a sister, I thought you knew." I will agree that taking those lines out was a huge mistake. For most other issues though, I love Yates and how he handles the films.

I really hope we'll get to see that. Bad choice to edit that out. The others I understand (though I desperately wanted to see the Harry-Dudley handshake and am thankful it'll be a deleted scene), but the Locket scene ended so awkwardly. That line needed to be there.

GodricGryffindor

I feel somewhat insulted
by the title of this thread.
THAT'S ALL I'M GOING TO SAY.



G.G.

Nick

^ this

Lord_Darkeyes

^ Double this. I love Yates.

jphufflepuff

I concur. However, it's not as bad as the thread on IMDb calling us "Yaters" saying people who love Yates hate Harry Potter. STFU people.

GodricGryffindor

I WOULD LIKE
TO SEE THAT
THREAD, PLEASE.
LINK?

G.G.

Lord_Darkeyes

DY does an amazing job, and even more considering he was a tv director b4 hp. Any who who hates him, wouldn't be able to give a good reason why!

GodricGryffindor

Some would say:

"HE RUINED THE SERIEZ!!!
HE CUT OUT SO MUCH! I HATEZ HIM!!!
FUCK HIM!!! OOTP & HBP WERE SHITZ!!"


Please, get a life.


G.G.

Nick

^ This

Lord_Darkeyes

^ double this.

GodricGryffindor

LOL


G.G.

Bane

Yates is the best thing to happen to the movies.

Lord_Darkeyes

Amen

fhaps

Double amen.

Lord_Darkeyes

XD

Nick

quaduple amen

aaron

Yates is the best hope we have. Trust him. (Feel free to "this^" and "double this^" and "amen" all you want.)

Nick

^ this

Slantee

^double this

Wolf_Potter

Some would say:

"HE RUINED THE SERIEZ!!!
HE CUT OUT SO MUCH! I HATEZ HIM!!!
FUCK HIM!!! OOTP & HBP WERE SHITZ!!"


Please, get a life.


G.G.

Really? with Yates, the movies are more mature. I really loved that. This guy (the IMDB one) is a completely idiot.

Yates is the best thing to happen to the movies.

AMEN!

Richard

lmao

GodricGryffindor

That's just HILARIOUS!

G.G.

Wolf_Potter

LOL thanks guys!!

Alfiewits

Lol i love ur gifs

jonny7003

"Are Yates and Day all about style over substance?!"

*In the voice of Mr. Ollivander* No, no. Definitely not.

Mamoun

I concur. However, it's not as bad as the thread on IMDb calling us "Yaters" saying people who love Yates hate Harry Potter. STFU people.

So the people who love the director of half the HP films hate HP? Wow

jphufflepuff

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0926084/board/thread/180179861

"Yaters: the Official Harry Potter Haters" from IMDb. Seriously I'm so effing sick of people bitching about Yates. Yes, there are some decisions I don't agree with, but he is the best thing to happen to the series IMHO. These people just need to STFU.

SwedishSkinJer

The opening montage is NOT an instance of style overtaking substance. It is in fact one of the most substantial examples of storytelling if it is executed well: visual communication. They cut the scene specifically for the purpose of the integrity of the opening montage, which IMO was intended to set up the atmosphere of the film through purely visual means -- for example, there are only two exceptions of dialogue in the Obliviate scene itself, but that is not detracting from its substance. That can be a very smart storytelling device, and in Part 1's case it clearly worked: it's one of the most-loved scenes in the film.

I'll also disagree about Cuaron, because PoA is one of my favorite films in the series and it's chock-full of examples of masterful visual storytelling, but that's a debate for another thread.

Bane

I support Harry and Hermione too. Why? Because Hermione "gets" Harry more than anyone else does, and it's important to keep those two characters together and build their friendship.

It has nothing to do with romance, but Hermione is the best support that Harry has throughout all the books because Ron is too boyish to show much feeling. He tries, and sometimes it's just barely enough, but Hermione is far more understanding. Everyone else treats Harry differently but Hermione actually treats Harry like a person that lost his parents and has had a very heavy and terrifying burden for his entire life.

Hermione gives Harry support unlike any other character, so yes, I think that it's very important to show this on-screen, and Kloves was very right to do so.

Bane

I agree about Half-Blood Prince but I think that's one of the very few missteps.

Bane

I thought Phoenix was better myself. I didn't like the focus on the comedy/romance of HBP and felt that the actual important aspects of the plot were shelved in favor of that.

Whereas Phoenix was mostly about Harry and Voldemort. I just like that part of the story a lot more.

GinaC

Oooh, don't get me started on the scene with the waitress instead of the Dursleys. X(

But yes, Yates has done a very nice job. I think he just "got" the wizarding world better than Cuaron did.

Bane

Then I guess you didn't like the book either cause there was a lot of comedy and romance in HBP...even moreso then in the movie. Granted there's some stuff like Voldemort's backstory and the Prince subplot were also pushed to the backburner a bit, but I think overall the movie conveyed the tone and essence of the book really well.

The book was fine because the memories and everything pertaining to Horcruxes was completely fleshed out. In the film it was like LOLOLOLOLOLOLohandhorcruxes*shrug*

Bane

I loved HBP, I'm just saying I liked Phoenix more mainly because of the story direction. Do not get me wrong.

Lord_Darkeyes

In HBP I could really feel for Draco, which is good. He really pumped up his acting in HBP. And I really liked the lighting and cinematography.

Lord_Darkeyes

I loved Phoenix, LC!

Lord_Darkeyes

It grows on you.

SwedishSkinJer

I know people generally don't like Mark Day, but it's my opinion that he's extremely underrated. He works well with the sensibilities of Yates because they have collaborated together in two different mediums. There are some cuts in OotP that I just loved.

"Phoenix though was a mess, in writing and pacing. I'll never understand how they could turn the longest book into the shortest film... "

Phoenix is actually one of my favorite films in the series. Not only does it have the best guest star, but I also considered its treatment of the central Harry-Voldemort story to be rather masterful (as shown in the possession sequence especially). *shrug* In terms of the length, "they" actually filmed material that was probably cut out at the behest of WB. Haven't you heard of the infamous "40 additional minutes of footage" that fans have been clamoring for?

SwedishSkinJer

One of my consistently favorite things about Yates is how he has successfully given magic a more urban sensibility. In OotP especially, seeing Dementors in a distinctly British underpass just felt strangely natural. Ditto for the kinetic feeling that he gave the actual practice of magic by inventing a more structured grammar for wands.

SwedishSkinJer

In terms of the length, "they" actually filmed material that was probably cut out at the behest of WB. Haven't you heard of the infamous "40 additional minutes of footage" that fans have been clamoring for?

Yes, and I hope there's more to the MoM battle cause that was so weak compared to the book...

In some areas I would agree, but in others I found it an improvement over the book (Voldemort's possession of Harry, for example, which is admittedly one of the more cinematic aspects of the confrontation). At first I was disappointed that they cut out the various sections in the Department, but in retrospect I think it works better for the atmosphere.

We know for sure that the additional footage includes a full-on battle that Yates shot between Bellatrix and Sirius, though. The choreography looked amazing.

jonny7003

Eh, I think the majority of OotP was a mis-step, lol...but I hang that upon the editor and Goldenberg, the writer who substituted for Kloves, cause I more or less loved HBP and DH: Part 1, they gave given me faith in Yates and perhaps more precisely the Yates/Kloves team. Not Mark Day though, he is still a weak link.

I agree to some extent. I didn't like OOTP when it was first released but it has grown on me upon rewatches. I agree that HBP and DH 1 are the better films and I love them more.