HARRY POTTER & LORD OF THE RINGS DEBATE (Any type of opinions, welcomed.)!!!

GodricGryffindor

Okay so, I've just finished watching the whole entire
LORD OF THE RINGS TRILOGY for the millionth time.

I thought it'd be nice to compare both series since they
are the most legendary series of films ever released!
First, I'd like to say that you can post ANY TYPE of opinions
in this thread. I really don't care!

So, I'll start by stating my opinions FILM-WISE and then
we'll talk about the literary works

FILMS:

1. Quality:
The AMAZING quality that was put into both series is just
sublime. I mean, have we ever had a pair of film franchises
that have been this constant, and most of all -GOOD- ?!
I don't think so.

The filmakers' decisions and perspective have brought to
us these BREATHTAKING pieces of film, that have marked
millions of people and will go down in history.

What we have to analyze here is that Harry Potter was formed
by 7 DIFFERENT productions, while Lord of the Rings was a
SINGLE production.
When people say that Lord of the Rings is superior in quality,
I like to do some research and compare both of the series'
budgets.

The HARRY POTTER FILM SERIES had a budget of - $1,280,000,000
The LORD OF THE RINGS FILM TRILOGY had a budget of - $285,000,000

By this I'd like to say, no.
Lord of the Rings is NOT SUPERIOR.
Both films series had an amazing team that put a lot of hard work and
TONS of time into these films.

Harry Potter MOST EXPENSIVE production cost - $250,000,000
Lord of the Rings MOST EXPENSIVE production cost - $94,000,000

So, yeah.
Personally, I think Harry Potter is actually superior in some aspects,
and yes, QUALITY is one of those.


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I'll end my analysis here, for now.
I will continue evaluating other aspects
of the series tomorrow!

FEEL FREE TO POST WHATEVER YOU'D LIKE
TO SAY!


G.G.

GodricGryffindor

Bump


G.G.

Richard

I havent seen LOTR

Nick

well it seems we are opening the forum up to alll movies YAY!!! i think we need to change the forums name

Richard

This is still HP forum we arent changing names.

Nick

we should

GodricGryffindor

Nicholas, this thread is
Harry Potter related.

G.G.

Richard

we should

and name it what exactly? LOL

Nick

hmmm im not sure but this is a GOOD thing by being more inclusive of other movies this will ensure that the forum stays open after dh2 is history and like it or not that day is approaching. so yes this is great im happy now the forum just might stick around post potter

aaron

Of course it will. Don't be silly.

Slantee

I've seen the LOTR movies and while they're a complete piece of art, I find Harry Potter more engrossing and it is, of course, closer to my heart. The LOTR movies, as you said, were a single production and therefore the franchise did not lack continuity and consistency, which the HP series did. The LOTR movies, overall, are very very well made and were consistent in quality unlike the HP series. If we look at the series as a whole, it is hard to believe that COS and DH1/HBP are a part of the same franchise. But yes, while I see LOTR as an epic war series, Harry Potter is something which a lot of people can relate to and want to be a part of. So while LOTR is something which everyone admires, HP is something everyone dreams of being a part of. Both of them are superior in their own sense.

UniversHarryPotter.c

For me LOTR is not like HP

HP is the story about an boy who grown up and LOTR is about courage, destiny (even Harry have an destiny), frienship

How can explain but all the LOTR character are adults (include Merry and Pippin !!) they have to choose their camps and fight but HP first of all is about an little boy with an bigger destiny who have to grown up with that !

And i love the two for their difference (and Tolkien is more difficult to read than JK Rowling)

TheDoctor

LotR Films are superior to LotR Books
HP Books are superior to the HP Films
LotR Films are superior to HP Films
HP Books are superior to LotR Books

You got all that? Ok, end of story

Yeah, I pretty much agree with this.

Both of them are my favorite book/film series. However, HP bias aside, I think the LoTR films are better made.

UniversHarryPotter.c

Not agreed LOTR Books weren't easy to read but so much full of details and stories than the movie

jonny7003

I don't seriously compare books and films because they're separate mediums.

I like both HP and LOTR books and films. We also have to take into account the circumstances of LOTR production and HP production.

All in all I think that the LOTR films are better made than the HP films (for obvious reasons, the source material not being complete, constant change in design/direction, continuity), but I enjoy the HP films more than LOTR, even though both series are well made in their own ways.

Thranduil1990

The Lord of the rings and Harry Potter are a very different series, You CAN'T compare them. Tolkien created a world much richer than Rowling IMO. Her world is wonderful and full of details and very complex, however tolkien invented a entire world with its cultures, its languages and its mithology. Each character has his own history. I adore both series, I grow up with them and they taught me so much.

althoug I have to recognize that Harry Potter'series is much easier to read than Lotr. Tolkien could be tedious sometimes.

aaron

Rowling's world is more friendly to a reader. The films are engrossing. The Lord of the Rings books are mammoth and I didn't read them all, but it was hard to get through one. The films are much better at telling the story.

Darth Ledger

Harry Potter really jumpstarted literature in a way like i've never seen, including me. I hated books until 2000 when Sorcerer's Stone found its way into my house. LotR is awesome, but I just don't think it had the cultural impact that HP did.

Hess

The LOTR movies are superior in terms of quality, imo.

fhaps

Maybe you are right saying Tolkien's world is richier, but the Harry Potter books are better in character development. Jo Rowling made a wonderful job there, far better than Tolkien's.

thisishogwarts

The LOTR movies are superior in terms of quality, imo.

This.

Jason

The way I see it, Harry Potter is better in books, LOTR is better in films. Although, they are both brilliant in both mediums.

Carne

In terms of quality and dedication, the LOTR movies are superior to the HP movies. Disagreeing with this would be foolish. The HP books do have more character development compared to LOTR though. All around, I find the LOTR movies much more enjoyable than HP(I like them both!).

GodricGryffindor

I certainly, have to disagree.
And it is not foolish at all.

Keeping all the same actors in the
Harry Potter series throughout seven
productions is what I call DEDICATION.

LOTR was a single production so all
of the actors signed up for the whole
entire trilogy ONCE.

In terms of QUALITY, I think that these
franchises did splendidly. Each in their
own merit.
Personally, I find Harry Potter a little bit
superior in terms of quality.
Making 8 of these fantastic films that were
SUCCESSFUL , ENTERTAINING, EFFECTIVE,
GOOD; is what I call QUALITY entertainment.

So yes, Carne.
I disagree.


G.G.

Nick

^ This =D>

GodricGryffindor

Thanks Nick!
LOL!

G.G.

decarus

But they didn't keep the same actors through out the production. I mean it could have been worse, but there were a lot of one hits. Though Part 2 might make me feel better about that since they are going to try and bring everyone back. Part 1 already made me feel better about it.

[Deleted User]

LotR Films are superior to LotR Books
HP Books are superior to the HP Films
LotR Films are superior to HP Films
HP Books are superior to LotR Books

You got all that? Ok, end of story

Yeah, I pretty much agree with this.

Both of them are my favorite book/film series. However, HP bias aside, I think the LoTR films are better made.

I agree with both of you. While I do like the HP films, the LOTR films are, to me, are better films.

MajFrukt

I think LOTR was more consistence, because it has the same director and I assumed have the same people behind the movies, while HP has been "evolve" quite a lot: different setting, directors, etc. As a Harry Potter fan, I enjoy HP films more, maybe because I feel so close to the characters, but objectively LOTR are also wonderful movies, it's destined to be classic, but so did the HP films as well.

[Deleted User]

^I agree with that as well. I think HP will be a franchise that is remembered years from now.

And I also agree that the inconsistency with the HP films may be what's hurt them a little, for me. I mean, imagine if David Yates could have been on board from the beginning. Or Cauron even. That would have been fantastic.

decarus

I agree. If there is one thing i could wish for well this is the second thing i would wish for it would be that they would be more consistent with all of the side characters and the side plots. I don't blame them though really because a lot of characters they could not realize the importance of in later books. Like Lavender. I think it would have been amazing to have the same Lavender from the beginning and then we find out that she dates Ron for a film. I really liked that they have had some of the same side characters such as Neville and Dean. Also things like showing the vanishing cabinet in CoS i think it was or showing the locket in OotP.

Carne

I certainly, have to disagree.
And it is not foolish at all.

Keeping all the same actors in the
Harry Potter series throughout seven
productions is what I call DEDICATION.

LOTR was a single production so all
of the actors signed up for the whole
entire trilogy ONCE.

In terms of QUALITY, I think that these
franchises did splendidly. Each in their
own merit.
Personally, I find Harry Potter a little bit
superior in terms of quality.
Making 8 of these fantastic films that were
SUCCESSFUL , ENTERTAINING, EFFECTIVE,
GOOD; is what I call QUALITY entertainment.

So yes, Carne.
I disagree.


G.G.

I'm talking about the dedication put into all the locations, CGI, music etc etc. Not whether the actors have agreed to be in all the movies. Peter Jackson himself spent 10 years(or around that) planning the movies, and he stuck to all of them. While the HP movies have switched between several directors, which made everything so mixed up. Imagine is Yates had directed all of them(as in a positive way).

Script - Better than HP, while there are a good amount of plotholes, none of them are as obvious as the ones in HP.
CGI/visual/special effects - A lot more work put into this than in HP.
Music - A lot more memorable compared to HP, and it wasn't just ambience music. It really sucked you into the films. Like during the big battle scenes.

You get my drift.

I in no way say I don't like the HP movies. I'm a huge fan, but when it all comes down to the quality and dedication, as I listed above, LOTR wins by far, and it isn't hard to see this.

js1138

Regarding the books, none of the characters in LOTR have a mother or a father or a living brother or sister or a wife or husband or a child.

I think there's one exception to this, a childless married couple who appear for a few pages.

Jo's universe is not as self-consistent as LOTR. There are minor errors in the way things work, and a bunch of times when you ask yourself things like why someone couldn't have corrected Harry's vision, but it's a much richer world, with families and such.

iiiZA

I liked how the extended editions of the LOTR series didn't care how long the movies would've been, it was all for the fans. I wish for David Yates' Ultimate Editions of OOTP-DH2 he will have the best extended editions! (unlike the Ultimate Editions of POA and GOF .. no extended editions .. directors felt it wasn't necessary)

jonny7003

I'm just starting reading the Two Towers. It was a struggle to get through the last chapter of Fellowship, as I had about enough of them travelling in boats across a bland rocky country. It became a little tedious. But hopefully, Towers will pick things up.

GinaC

I won't buy this since I already have a nice copy of the Extended Edition, but this looks cool, and it's supposed to hit stores June 28th: (Sorry, I'm not sure how to embed! Edit: cool! It worked! ))

Hess

To me, LOTR movies are superior.

GodricGryffindor

Well, they both have their strengths
and their weaknesses.

For Example:

LOTR: They more consistent, but ultimately, THE DO NOT HAVE CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.
HP: Less CONSISTENT, but they have AMAZING CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT.


G.G.

Lord_Darkeyes

The LOTR definatly has a more stable story and appeals to more action seeking audiences, and it by far more epic, I think Harry Potter wins with a more dare I say original concept (no, no magical schools were even thought about b4 JKR came up with it) and wins in story tie-ups and character development.

Bane

Harry Potter has a far more interesting plot, better characters, more emotional content, and the twists don't stop until Deathly Hallows.

Lord of the Rings takes place on a more epic scale, but I still say that the term "epic" is broadly tossed around for lack of a better word.

By the way, I absolutely love the LOTR films. LOTR has an incredibly rich universe with amazing detail, but the actual plot itself isn't terribly complex or deep.

GodricGryffindor

Couldn't agree more
with you guys.

After all, these are my
ABSOLUTE FAVOURITE
Book/Movie Series of
ALL TIME


G.G.

Lord_Darkeyes

^

It's funny, lotr and hp are more alike than any other series, ecspecially Twilight, but no one compares the two as much as HP and Twilight. Incase anyone was wondering, the Twilighters started the war. They started a war that they could not win. Just shows you, don't mess w/ hp fans.

Sorry if I had to mention Twilight. It never ever EVER will come close to HP or LOTR

aaron

J.K. Rowling takes seven volumes to create a world so rich, diverse, popular, and modern whilst also being fantastical and whimsical. That is where she succeeds. Not her writing, her storytelling. The world she creates, and the characters she populates it with. We grow to care about it so much, in a way that has never touched readers ever before. That's why the series grew so popular.

Phoenix007

Yeah both classics,not really fair to compare them though...

thisishogwarts

LOTR: better movies.
HP: better books.
Peter Jackson: better director from any HP director.
J.K Rowling over J.R.R Tolkein.

/thread.

Lord_Darkeyes

LOTR: better movies.
HP: better books.
Peter Jackson: better director from any HP director.
J.K Rowling over J.R.R Tolkein.

/thread.

bump.

I fell that the first two films are far too underrated. Even Roger Ebert gave them a 4/4. People just disregard it becasue of it's kiddynish, but they really are cinemtatic masterpieces.

XDMorsmordreXD

LOTR: better movies.
HP: better books.
Peter Jackson: better director from any HP director.
J.K Rowling over J.R.R Tolkein.

/thread.

This and I agree HPScript dude

Nick

well to be fair LOTR had the same dirctor for 3 movies so yea there would be consistency but hp is 8 movies over 10 years with the same cast intact with the exception of michael harris who died. lotr story not complex at all. hp has a very complex rich story and has twists and turns and you dont know how its going to end because almost evrey single book theres a new twist in the story. there are no twists in the LOTR saga. hp has way better charecters. i feel hp is far more exciting and engaging than lotr ever was both in film and on the page. lotr books are just really hard to get through where as harry potter there far more exciting and really get you hooked and you cant wait to see what happens next.

XDMorsmordreXD

I agree, Tolkeins world is amazingly detailed and great! But Rowling, like said before, introduced reading to an entire generation. She has files! FILES of papers on character backgrounds and more stuff about her world. No, she didn't create a NEW world but she created a deeply immersive world WITHIN our world. A world that a times seems like it could be real!

jonny7003

I've said my views regarding the films above, but my opinion regarding the quality of the books is that J. R. R. Tolkien is the superior writer, but J. K. Rowling is the superior storyteller. I am currently reading Lord of the Rings and the writing is masterful.

Nick

thanks morse