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My opinion of Half-Blood Prince (film) has almost done a complete 180

BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 2010 in General
After seeing Part 1 and hearing how so many people were lost, I'm starting to think they went in the wrong direction with the sixth film.

Now, I still think it's a great film and just unspeakably better than the first two, but I think they focused way too much on the comedy and romance. For me, the great thing about the sixth book was that it fleshed out our main antagonist so much and through that, set up Harry's mission. Now, they still did an okay job with establishing the Horcruxes and stuff, but I felt that they rushed through all of that way too quickly just so that they could get to the next moment of humor or teen drama.

It's like "ifonedestroysallthehorcruxesonedestroysvoldemort OKAY NEXT FUNNY MOMENT PLEASE"

I think if the focus were on the memories, also, it would have given them the opportunity to get out of Hogwarts even more, and even beyond that, had some amazing/interesting, old-timey sets and creepy locations like the Gaunt house. I think this would have made for a far, far more interesting and poignant film than "lol lavender lol"

Like I said, I still consider it to be a great film. What they do right, they do really right-- Dumbledore's death, the cave sequence, Harry vs. Draco, and so on. It retains Yates' fantastic filmmaking qualities and the music was incredible-- as was the cinematography. I just think that if the script focused on the memories and Voldemort's backstory more, it would have been far more interesting, compelling, and I think people would understand the storyline much better.

A missed opportunity, but a great film nonetheless.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yes they totally did, there is no doubting and debating about it!

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  • I would have liked for it to gone into much more detail on Voldemort also. Maybe i'm just saying that because he is one of my favorite characters as i always prefer the antagonists. it would have been great for them to really show a little more of his past but i still love the movie.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Same for me King, same for me...

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  • SarahElizabeth!SarahElizabeth! Posts: 5,265 ✭✭✭✭
    I've always felt that way. I never thought they went the right direction to set up Part One properly. They did alright.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Some critics and people have expressed that Voldemort isn't quite an intimidating enough villain-- while I disagree, I can kind of understand that point. I think if they had focused on the memories in the sixth film, audiences would understand Voldemort a bit better, in that he's supposed to be something of a flawed dumbass. He is powerful and menacing, but at the same time he's something of an arrogant, whiny bitch.

    If the memories had focused on Voldemort's backstory, people would understand this, and there would be much less confusion about the Horcruxes and what was going on overall in Deathly Hallows.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just about, yes! but still... not in the right moments, only in the comedy and romance, they didn't live up and fulfill to the book... that is for sure/certain!

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  • jonny7003jonny7003 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭
    edited November 2010
    Well Kloves said that it's hard to drive the narrative forward when the film keeps dipping into the past, bogging down the pacing. I see what he means, but even I would have liked at least 1 more memory. However, I think they did a great job setting up Hallows. The Horcruxes plot hasn't been glossed over has it? It'll all work out when Part 2 comes along.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think apart from not doing a good job of explaining the Horcruxes and what exact horrors that Voldemort performed in order to create them, they also missed the opportunity to make Half-Blood Prince feel like a "historical" kind of film, they could have had period piece film sets and costumes. It would have injected a ton of color and depth into this franchise.

    Luckily, Hallows Part 1 has, for the most part, set everything right-- the film did good at portraying how deadly the Horcruxes are and it explained that they could be anywhere, could be anything. That's one reason why I was so happy when I walked out of the theater. But if Half-Blood Prince had focused on this instead of the redundant comedy and teen romance that I personally feel does NOT define that book at all.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2010
    Yes, hopefully Jonny! and i wanted that as well as you, darth!

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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    jonny, I do think the Horcruxes were very glossed over. Every scene that involved them were incredibly rushed, almost like the film didn't care about it and just wanted to get on with the funnies.

    And I greatly disagree with Kloves there. Sometimes in order to move forward, you must go back. Did the romance and humor drive the plot forward? No.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2010
    Exactly darth! that is precisely what i was thinking, and it is a true wonder of mine! Grrr at Kloves!

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  • jonny7003jonny7003 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭
    I think apart from not doing a good job of explaining the Horcruxes
    Sorry, I don't agree with that - I think they set up the Horcruxes very well with their chosen path. We know what horcruxes are and it was even mentioned by Ron at the beginning of Part 1 - where are they? How do we destroy them? What objects can they be? etc... The sword was explained in Part 1. We know Dumbledore destroyed the ring, Tom Riddle's diary was killed in COS. The locket destruction, Ron saying "only 3 to go". Again, they filmed the sixth film with book 7 in mind so Part 2 should tie it all up.

  • jonny7003jonny7003 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭
    jonny, I do think the Horcruxes were very glossed over. Every scene that involved them were incredibly rushed, almost like the film didn't care about it and just wanted to get on with the funnies.

    And I greatly disagree with Kloves there. Sometimes in order to move forward, you must go back. Did the romance and humor drive the plot forward? No.
    Well one would argue it was developing the relationships and characters with lots of interaction. It was their last chance to have light moments before the dark Hallows. I thought it was too heavy in the middle, but other than that it was fine.

  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Jonny, well others (non readers) feel that they have only in HBP had more romance and comedy shoved down they're throats, than the actual story/plot of the source material, which they want, and is far more interesting and intriguing than the version that we've seen of it. Many of them didn't even quite understand!

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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Thing is, it was the sixth film-- I think there have been plenty, upon plenty of light moments and tons of character interaction already. I think with the sixth book, Rowling said okay, it's time to get out and go into Voldemort's history, but the filmmakers didn't really do this. Instead we got horrible scenes with Harry and Ginny, tons of love triangle stuff between Ron, Hermione and Lavender, and so on. I would have gladly taken some more, at least longer memory sequences over all that.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    In Half-Blood Prince, that WAS the plot. The romance and comedy was there for light-hearted moments in-between all the memories, but in the film, the memories felt like they were there to briefly break up the romance/comedy. They got it backwards.
  • jonny7003jonny7003 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭
    Thing is, it was the sixth film-- I think there have been plenty, upon plenty of light moments and tons of character interaction already. I think with the sixth book, Rowling said okay, it's time to get out and go into Voldemort's history, but the filmmakers didn't really do this. Instead we got horrible scenes with Harry and Ginny, tons of love triangle stuff between Ron, Hermione and Lavender, and so on. I would have gladly taken some more, at least longer memory sequences over all that.
    Longer memory sequences would have been very good, but not too long. But, really, I didn't mind this relationship thing.

  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Me too! that is what we wanted, not just cheesy comedy and romance that wasn't even funny and was barely romantic (more sex than anything, in other words) the movie is totally nothing compared to the book, as we mainly got an unfaithful HP film rammed down our throats!

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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Longer memory sequences would have been very good, but not too long. But, really, I didn't mind this relationship thing.
    I don't mind it either, I didn't dislike the film at all. The only scene I don't like is Harry and Ginny in the ROR. Just terrible. Outside of that, yeah, most scenes were excellent. I'm just saying I would have rather had more scenes about, you know, what the actual book was mostly about instead.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2010
    Same here! the most important, was to explain what Horcruxes were, and get a feel for Voldy's backstory/past... but i strongly believe that we did not get enough of it!

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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If the film would have shown what Voldemort actually did in order to create the Horcruxes, damn. I think it would have helped many people sort of get into the Horcruxes plot a lot more. The film does explain that it requires murder, but film is a show, don't tell medium.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Most definetely!

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  • HessHess Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Everything you said Darth. It's like, every single serious moment ends up with some kind of joke.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm surprised that Dumbledore didn't walk into the restroom and say "Ah, to be young, and to feel Sectumsempra's keen sting."
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    =D> But it IS true! something that they would do! hey that rhymed! ^:)^

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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Watch out Stafford!
  • GodricGryffindorGodricGryffindor Posts: 5,756 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I personally LOVE HBP.
    I think it is one of the
    greatest films ever made,
    and one of the best in
    the franchise.

    HBP is a NOW OR NEVER
    type of film.
    I just want you to open
    up your minds a little
    bit.

    The ROMANCE in HBP was
    ABSOLUTELY great, and I loved
    the way they handled it.

    I feel so VERY LUCKY that
    we got the chance to see
    our characters develop in that
    type of environment.

    It was THE LAST CHANCE to
    do something a little bit
    more relaxed and romantic
    in the HP Franchise, and I
    think that is one of the things
    that makes this film, AN AMAZING FILM!


    GO HBP!




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  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    could not agree more godric
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Well HBP is the only romance comedy film in thefranchise lol
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Plot is more important, IMO. HBP had an amazing plot that they decided to skim over.
  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    My family are somewhat Potter fans and they think HBP is the best (after DH); however, whenever the film begins, they are more interested in the characters and their relationships with each other--how friends can be broken apart, how romance blossoms, comedy ensues, but also darkness springs into the front--rather than all the dark stuff. The thing they thought was boring were all the memories and meetings in Dumbledore's office, but they thought it balanced nicely with all the other stuff and other subplots like Quidditch, Draco, and Slughorn.

    I certainly think it is one of the best films in the franchise. Greater character development than any other one before it.
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  • SlanteeSlantee Posts: 2,355 ✭✭✭
    It did have a great deal of comedy, but it gelled well with the whole dark feel of the film. It still is the best film out of the series for me, though DH1 is VERY close behind.
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  • BraveheartBraveheart Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭
    The problem with HBP is the atmosphere is often killed in the serious scenes by downright terrible quips. "These girls are going to kill me"...REALLY Kloves? That just took all the seriousness out of the very serious and important part of the plot involving Draco's attempts to kill Dumbledore. And when you look at almost all the intense scenes in the movie, there's usually a bad joke in there somewhere to counter the intensity (which wasn't even too high anyway) and thus ruins the point of many scenes.

    It did feel as though Yates was just going through the motions very reluctantly during the important scenes to get back to more "HAHAHA let's all laugh at Lavender drawing for 30 seconds". Really dude? There gets to a point where none the "comedy" (pathetic as much of it was) contributes to anything. Not the characters or the plot. It just becomes redundant, pathetic and boring. They could have cut half the comedy scenes and the character development would not be affected, in fact it would leave more time to develop the relationship which was MOST IMPORTANT in this film but which they absolutely BOTCHED. Dumbledore and Harry. Their relationship in the movie was pathetic. And I think one of the main problems is Kloves can't write for Dumbledore at all. That goes for many other characters too.

    And I think ultimately WB got it into their heads that HBP had to be a comedy, and, despite what they say, I think they were pretty determined for it to be PG in the US.

    When I think about it, the movie was really just a kids movie pretending to be grown up and dark. Just because the cinematography was dark and the score was dark, doesn't make it a dark adult movie. The comedy wasn't funny, there was no sexual tension to speak of or anything, and they never dipped into any of the more adult aspects of the story.

    Now let me get this straight, I would have very little problem with HBP if it had actually managed what they set out to achieve. They wanted to make it the "sex, drugs and rock and roll" Harry Potter movie that felt a bit like Trainspotting. And if they had actually managed that, while balancing the plot I'm sure I could have loved it. The problem was that firstly the balance between plot and comedy was way off (courtesy of Kloves I think, who doesn't know when it's appropriate) and also that the movie for claiming to be a romantic comedy, was completely devoid of passion or raw sexual energy. There should have been innuendoes and sex jokes and of course the whole drugs side of things with the potions wasn't really explored. I remember they cut a line about Dumbledore which suggested he'd experimented with "substances" in his youth, but they cut it for being too adult. Yeah, if you want to make a movie that purports to be "sex, drugs and rock and roll" don't go back and make it "kissing, potions and rock and roll".

    Like I said, it really was a pretty kiddie movie dressed up as a darker one, one that I believe it was originally intended to be and one that it certainly should have been.
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Yeah if DH2 has alot of comedy then im going to be worried.
  • dashape80dashape80 Posts: 1,238
    HBP had so much to cover that instead of cutting entire subplots out they tried to at least hit on everything in a limited scale . . . so we got a taste of everything (Snape, Romance, Memories/Slughorn, Draco). Was it the right or wrong decision to make the film the way they did? That's opinion I guess.
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  • HessHess Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I remember my dad was a bit disappointed with HBP, he was expecting the battle in the end, and he hasn't red the books.
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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Yeah it was setting it up for a battle it seemed,a battle we never got :(
  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    but fear not we will get battles in deathly hallows
  • jonny7003jonny7003 Posts: 3,771 ✭✭
    HBP didn't need a battle, it was great with the emotional ending (and it's more than Dumbledore being killed by Snape I trust you know).
  • HessHess Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2010
    It didn't need a battle, but needed less comedy.
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  • BraveheartBraveheart Posts: 1,910 ✭✭✭✭
    There needed to be more shock at Dumbledore's death. Nobody even seemed surprised.
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    I wanted a small battle atleast.
  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    Stop being obsessed with action. It would not have worked in the film AT ALL.
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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    yes it wouldve. it wouldve made the film better.
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  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    You are quite un-knowledgeable about film if you think a battle would've worked at the end. Especially after seeing Part 2 of Deathly Hallows.
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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    A BATTLE WAS 100% NECESSARY END OF DISCUSSION!
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