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I'll admit: Desplat is a great Williams replacement.

BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited November 2010 in General
Before you set your keyboard aflame, hear me out.

After listening to the score for about a week now, I've come to the personal conclusion that this is the best score since Azkaban, and the closest score to John Williams' style.
What's amazing about it is that the score is still 100% Desplat-- his trademarks are everywhere. The only difference is that he clearly respects Williams and adopts a lot of Williams' style and meshes it with his own.
Take the track "Polyjuice Potion" for example. At roughly the 2:30 mark, there's a long stretch of music that just screams John Williams. If I didn't know any better I'd think I was listening to one of his earlier Potter scores.
Another thing to take note of is Desplat's action cues. "Sky Battle" and "Rescuing Hermione" have tons of John Williams' action style. There are also a lot of new great themes all over the place-- Desplat definitely understands themes.

What am I getting at? People have been screaming for John to return for at least Part 2, and while I share that sentiment, after hearing the Part 1 score I'd be perfectly fine with Desplat doing Part 2.
If John doesn't come back, it won't be because of Warner Bros. or the filmmakers. John has stated that he would come back if asked, but he's also currently entangled in other projects, like The Adventures of Tintin from Spielberg and Peter Jackson.
Sometimes, despite things that are said, not everything works out. And Desplat has written a jaw-dropping score for Part 1, and I think his work on Part 2 would be even better. He's proven himself on action and emotion.
I think Desplat's music for Harry walking to his death, Snape and Lily's scenes, Harry and Dumbledore in limbo, and so on would just be stunning. Desplat is a heavy sap so his emotional cues would be rocking. Just listen to Farewell to Dobby.

Just saying, a lot of people are up in arms about whether or not John will return, but I'm just simply proposing that either way, we win, because if Desplat does Part 2 we can expect another wonderful score.
Even if people complain about it right until the very end, when his Part 2 score releases, if he does in fact do it, everyone will be instantaneously silenced by how great it is.

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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Either one works.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Either one does work. Completely. That's the point. Everyone is so intent on John returning that they don't seem to realize that either way the score will be powerful stuff.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,605 ✭✭
    willaims would have hedwigs theme more just sayin





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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Hedwig's theme doesn't make a score great.

    What makes a score great is its own themes and identity, and how well overall it is written and performed. And Desplat uses Hedwig's theme like 10 times in this score, yet none of that is even remotely the best parts of the score.

    If anything Hedwig's theme is overplayed. I know it's like the main theme for the films, but we're on the 7th and 8th films. I'll take new themes and compositions over recycling the fan favorite any day.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And even if John did Part 2, that doesn't mean that he will plaster Hedwig's theme all over the place. How many times did the Prisoner of Azkaban score use that theme?
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    i love the theme i think they should make it a dark version. They havent yet...
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually there's a more somber version of it in Sky Battle. Several times.
  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Well ive only listened to the soundtrack once,ill have to buy it.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 3,605 ✭✭
    yeah but its not in oblviate whch means it doent open the film whic is the real tradition





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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's a grower. The more you listen to it the more its greatness dawns upon you, like the sun coming up over a mountainous horizon as you stand there bathing in its glory as hundreds of beautiful women come running--

    Okay but seriously it's awesome.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    dream, it's tradition, but I'd honestly find it very interesting if it's not used to open the film. at any rate, Obliviate is a fantastic track with a wonderful new theme for the entire film.
  • I completely I agree with you on this darthorcrux. What Desplat does is incredible. The ''So You Wanna Be John Williams'' age is over. He's created his own, unique and artistic way of giving a voice to the story, without losing the book's/film's magic and familiarity. It would be great when Williams returned to finish what he start, it would be great to have Desplat scoring the second part of his Harry Potter-adventure, and it would be fcking amazing if the both of them collaborated. This is what I hope for.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If they collaborated, it would cause a rift in the space-time continuum.

    Won't happen though. ;)

    You bring up another reason why I wouldn't mind if Desplat score Part 2: thematic consistency. He placed some very well-established themes into this score and I think having some of those same themes repeat in Part 2 would help unite the two parts.
  • True. The ''Order of the Phoenix'' theme (which seems to serve a new friendship theme) would perfectly fit during the reunion of Dumbledore's Army and in particular: Harry and Ginny. The ''Death Eaters'' theme is obviously perfect, since they are in quite a lot. There also seems to be the ''emotional'' theme, which plays during Godric's Hollow Graveyard, and which could be incorporated in the Prince's Tale somehow.

    Then there are the omitted tracks and themes for ''Voldemort'', ''Bellatrix'' and ''The Dumbledores.'' Could be used for the multiple appearances (on- and offscreen) for the Dark Lord himself, for Bellatrix and for Aberforth's/Albus' tale respectively. Would like to have an actual ''War'' theme and a ''Snape'' one added, though.
  • The Hedwigs theme is A Child Score We need something more dark.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Wrong, its the main theme of the series and the most important... much like Star Wars song, it never gets old and i'm sure if JW did return (not going to happen unfortunately) i'm sure that he would spice it up a bit so that it suited the finale rather than leave it out at all!

    Lord Stafford.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I think it's fine for say the opening titles. But after that I'd rather get new themes. Every new film needs new themes because there's new thematic material.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Absolutely, but still!

    Lord Stafford.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And Desplat does like the theme and it appears at several points all throughout the score, which is way more than what Hooper did with it.
    I just don't think a theme should be used frequently just because it's popular, I'm a fan of variety. If they used it a lot more it WOULD become stale.
    Desplat was smart to play with the theme and use it here and there, but he was smarter to not overdo it.
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    True, by the way... i'll add you on PSN alright?!

    Lord Stafford.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Sounds good buddy :)
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, is your HPF name also your PSN addy?

    Lord Stafford.
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  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭✭
    [quote=Lord Stafford]Wrong, its the main theme of the series and the most important...[/quote]
    I agree. And it's one of the main reasons I'm disappointed with Desplat for not using it more.
    [quote=darthorcrux]I think it's fine for say the opening titles. [/quote]
    That's all I wanted was an opening song to included the theme like all the other films have. But it seems he didn't do it. I can only hope that it's there when I see the film.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Desplat DOES use it though. Several times. I don't get the complaints. In fact he might use it even more than JW did throughout HIS scores.
  • blackvenomblackvenom Posts: 3,257
    Obliviate is an amazing opening track. I love the fact that there's no Hedwig's theme there. Yes it's different. But the 2-part finale is different.

    Still the theme is used in few tracks so I don't get the complaint.
    In GoF it was used once, in OotP twice as well as in HBP. Here it's used three times.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It appears in Sky Battle at VARIOUS moments.
    It appears in Polyjuice Potion, tenderly, near the end.
    It appears in The Will.

    It also appears in subtle ways in other tracks but I don't have the entire score memorized enough yet to tell you where, but probably in due time.

    And yes, Obliviate is an incredible opening track, I seriously will not miss the theme. It's just that good. It's even more beautiful and epic in my opinion.
  • blackvenomblackvenom Posts: 3,257
    Isn't it?
    Especially the cello part. When it plays in 'Ron Leaves' or 'Death Eaters'. Oh my god.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2010
    Yes, I know it's used several times, I just meant in the opening credits, like it always is. That's all I was hoping for.
    I just really like the theme and have all the different openings from all the films, so I was just hoping for another take on the theme. That's all.
    I like where the theme is used in the other songs.
    I'm not saying or complaining that Obliviate is lacking without the theme.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    What's fantastic about Obliviate is the fact that it's a summarization of the entire score. It is not only repeated later in Ron Leaves, but throughout the score, and the theme for Farewell to Dobby also appears in Obliviate.

    People can complain about Obliviate lacking the Hedwig theme all they want, but that doesn't stop it from being an amazingly layered, thematic track all on its own.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    No, muggle, I gotcha. I just think Obliviate works fine as the opener as it is, but everyone is completely entitled to their opinion.

    I guess the only thing that bums me out is that people are focusing more on this one thing instead of trying to appreciate the rest of the score. Because it is a flat-out awesome piece of work.
  • blackvenomblackvenom Posts: 3,257
    Exactly. And I love the fact that all themes sort of blend in the score amazingly.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2010
    Obliviate: 1:57
    Farewell to Dobby: 1:42

    Obliviate: 2:26
    Ron Leaves: 1:09
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭✭
    [quote=darthorcrux]I guess the only thing that bums me out is that people are focusing more on this one thing instead of trying to appreciate the rest of the score. Because it is a flat-out awesome piece of work. [/quote]
    I'm only bummed because the theme is my favorite movie theme. But I agree that it's one of the better Potter scores.

    And now I think I'm going to open my itunes and listen to it again *lol*
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Yeah, give it a good run-through. Listen for the various theme connections and the different remixes of Hedwig's theme that appear in clever ways.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭✭
    I do like the subtle use of Hedwigs Theme in 'Polyjuice Potion'. I like to think that might be the moment when Harry is getting ready to let Hedwig go before they take off from Privet Drive. That would be very nice I think.
  • acciohpacciohp Posts: 1,556 ✭✭✭
    I think the soundtrack is so good, and I can't wait to hear itduring the movie. It'll be even more affective and emotional! :)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭✭
    'Godric's Hollow' sounds to be a very emotional scene. And 'Bathilda Bagshot' is sooo creepy. When I listen to that one and also imagine what we've seen of Bathilda watching them and then hear Hermione say 'Someone's watching us'. Wow. Gives me the creeps.
  • SophoSopho Posts: 192
    edited November 2010
    [quote=muggle]'Godric's Hollow' sounds to be a very emotional scene. And 'Bathilda Bagshot' is sooo creepy. When I listen to that one and also imagine what we've seen of Bathilda watching them and then hear Hermione say 'Someone's watching us'. Wow. Gives me the creeps.[/quote]

    Godric´s Hollow is my favourite track with Ron Leaves. It´s very quiet, sad and bit dark in the end. The piano is this track is amazing as well.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,344 ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 2010
    Yes, I really like Godric's Hollow too. I think its in my top 5 of the soundtrack.

    I wonder what they'll play during the closing credits?
  • SarahElizabeth!SarahElizabeth! Posts: 5,265 ✭✭✭✭
    I agree with Darth.
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