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Why The Star Wars Prequel Trilogy is better than the Original Trilogy

Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited February 2012 in General
http://movies.yahoo.com/news/why-star-wars-prequels-better-original-trilogy-160300514.html

It verges on cinematic treason to suggest that the "Star Wars" prequel trilogy is in any way superior to the original trilogy. However, history has proved that treasonous behavior is just as often necessary to stimulate progressive revolution as it is to endow malevolent forces with unrestricted authority necessary to obstruct basic human rights. So here goes: the first three episodes in the saga of Anakin Skywalker are deeper, better structured, and more politically astute than the final three. Not only is that why the prequel is superior, it is also a pretty decent elucidation of the original trilogy's greater popularity.
That the "Star Wars" trilogy embraced by American moviegoers is the one that presents a far less complex universe is not incidental to the rabid rebuke of the prequel. "A New Hope," "The Empire Strikes Back," and "Return of the Jedi" reflect the Cold War milieu in which they were created, offering up a comforting us-vs.-them story told in bold strokes lacking nuance, complexity, or intellectual ambiguity. That isn't to say that times have changed much; with the exception of "The Phantom Menace," the second and third installments of the prequel were released to an America that had embraced absolute views even more so than the original trilogy.

The difference is that the original trilogy appealed directly to the simplistic moral perspective of an America above reproach and always on the side of right in global geopolitics, whereas the much more subversive prequel trilogy stands in defiant counterpoint to the much more dangerously simplistic moral absolutism of the Age of Bush.

The original trilogy holds a special place in the bosom of American moviegoers precisely because we view ourselves comfortably in place of the Rebels. Americans revel in their historical construct as rebellious underdogs constantly at war against an easily identified and unquestionably evil empire. Hence, the reason most Americans love the original trilogy has much to do with placement of ourselves in the role of the inheritors of the mantle of the Jedi.

The problem is that the post-9/11 world meant Americans also were forced to identify themselves with the Jedi in the prequel trilogy as well, and we don't like the face we see in the mirror. Let's face it, the Jedi don't exactly come off too swell in the prequel. This time around they are the guys in charge, and it is painful to watch them screw it up, especially when the way they hand over the keys to the Empire is so eerily familiar to a historical era defined by words like "signing statements" and "Patriot Act."

Just in case you didn't notice in your rush to castigate Jar-Jar Binks and complain about the wooden dialogue of the prequel, the peaceful Galactic Republic in place at the beginning of "The Phantom Menace" doesn't turn into the dark empire in place at the beginning of "A New Hope" due to an invasion by a foreign element. The Republic falls as a result of due democratic process, albeit due democratic process that is manipulated through lies and deception. Again, sound familiar?

Watching the "Stars Wars" prequel trilogy is like the most entertaining lesson in civics ever given -- specifically the way it reveals how even a republic peopled by representative leaders with the best of intentions can make decisions that result in disastrous policies, accompanied by devastation and the crumbling of great ideas. Yoda's observations about anger, hate, fear, and suffering are not said lightly; they may be the most prescient words spoken by a movie character in recent memory.
Not much less important is another quote associated with "The Phantom Menace," a quote that hasn't proved anywhere near as memorable as Yoda's but nonetheless plays a huge part in the events that will follow. Chances are you don't even remember these words of Darth Maul: "Fear is my ally." One can well imagine that slogan scrawled across the office walls of men like Scooter Libby and tattooed across the back of Dick Cheney.

Nowhere in the original "Star Wars" trilogy is there any sequence of events nearly as profound in their application to real life as Palpatine's manipulative orchestration of the separatist movement "headed" by Count Dooku. Palpatine's nefarious scripting of events allows him to go before the senate and ask for special "emergency powers" to deal with the growing threat facing the peace of the republic. Perhaps if Americans had embraced the prequel in the way they did the original "Star Wars" trilogy, they would recognize the danger when an elected member of a representative republic asks for "emergency powers" to combat a threat.

Palpatine's actions in the prequel are positively Machiavellian, and his evil in those first three movies is far more chilling than his appearances as the emperor in the original trilogy. In those movies, Palpatine is so far removed from us we can only approach him from the perspective of a Hitler. We must always remember that Hitler didn't ascend to dictator by using tanks, but the ballot box.

Just as Palpatine is far more chilling as a politician abusing the system than he is as an emperor in comprehensively malevolent control, so is Anakin Skywalker far more chilling as a powerless pawn than he is as powerful Darth Vader. No more alarming scene exists in the entire "Star Wars" canon than the political conversation that takes place in "Attack of the Clones" between Anakin and Amidala when the boy-who-would-be Vader suggests the system is broken and needs to be replaced with something where one person in charge has the power to enforce laws he feels are for the good of the people. Amidala replies, rightfully, that what Anakin is talking about sounds like a dictatorship. And then these all-too-familiar words from Anakin: "Well, if it works."

Anakin's justification that if authoritarian control works in keeping us safe was being repeated on a daily basis by those in charge at the very time the scene was being projected onto multiplex screens around the world. Too many Anakin Skywalkers existed then and, amazingly, exist right now in this country who are far too eager to give up hard-earned civil rights for the illusion of security. And it is the very fact that one can write about Anakin without calling him either evil or good that elevates the prequel above the original. Try naming a single character in the original trilogy that can attain such an authentic level of ambiguity.

There is absolutely no element or character in the original trilogy that isn't delineated in stark black and white terms. Episodes IV through VI tell a much happier story, one that is consistent with the birth of the American democracy through acts of rebellion by a ragtag group of people who held the moral high ground. Episodes I through III, by contrast, tell a much less happy story about how a democracy can come to an end -- not at the hands of foreign interlopers, but directly through the democratic process itself. More people may prefer the original "Star Wars" trilogy, but there is no question that the prequel is a more challenging, illuminating, and superior work of art.

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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Now go read the bigot, airheaded, narrow minded, biased comments.

    Ugh, people...
  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this person is on crack. the originals are untouchable. the prequels are garbage.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    this person is on crack. the originals are untouchable. the prequels are garbage.
    Nick did you even read it?

    Plus you never responded to the other thread.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Provide some points as to why you like shitballs furry haired little dickwads with shitsticks in ponchos running around and clubbing things better than two climatic jedi battles and I'll be glad to accept that you think the prequel is crap.
  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i like the originals better. that is all.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    i like the originals better. that is all.

    Way to completely avoid trying to give any logic behind your reasoning. How is anyone supposed to take that seriously if you can't defend your points?

    Please, I'd love to know why you'd take a furry ewok climax over a jedi battle climax.
  • Lord_DarkeyesLord_Darkeyes Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭✭
    i like the originals better. that is all.
    But you also called the prequels garbage, so that is not all.
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  • Lord_DarkeyesLord_Darkeyes Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭✭
    Anyways, I love both originals and prequels.

    Phantom Menace was good
    Attack of the Clones was watchable, though it could've been improved
    Revenge of the Sith was amazing
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  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ok maybe garbage was the wrong terminology. there not as good as the originals in my view. i know that i may be the only person on the planet who feels this way but for me the originals were better and the first 3 just made me cringe.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Anyways, I love both originals and prequels.

    Phantom Menace was good
    Attack of the Clones was watchable, though it could've been improved
    Revenge of the Sith was amazing
    One thing I loved that all 3 were consistent with their fantastic climaxes. I don't mind if you complain about dialogue in the film, but these climaxes, damn.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ok maybe garbage was the wrong terminology. there not as good as the originals in my view. i know that i may be the only person on the planet who feels this way but for me the originals were better and the first 3 just made me cringe.
    Okay, we're getting somewhere.

    WHY did they make you cringe?
  • Lord_DarkeyesLord_Darkeyes Posts: 4,905 ✭✭✭✭
    I do admit the dialogue in I and II are cringe-worthy. Trust me, I won't stone anyone for thinking that :)) But the concept of every single one is beautifully well thought out and are what make them great in my eyes.
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I do admit the dialogue in I and II are cringe-worthy. Trust me, I won't stone anyone for thinking that :)) But the concept of every single one is beautifully well thought out and are what make them great in my eyes.
    I agree, but what I hate is people complain about the dialogue in the prequel and not about the acting in the original which is just as cringeworthy other than Ford.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    The originals have bad dialogue too, but they benefit from being released in the 70's and 80's, back when moviegoers didn't have a fucking log shoved up their ass as well as over three decades of nerd love making them classics.
  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    in Phantom Menace it was Jar Jar and the relastionship between Anakin and Padme. It just came off as creepy. He was like what 9 in that movie and she was what 19 or 20? In Attack Of The Clones Anakin was just too Whiny for my liking. and again Jar Jar was the one who gave the Emperor the ultimate power WTF? in Revenge Of The Sith. The Dialougue between Padme and Anakin just seemed way to over the top and sometimes Cheesy. I saw the Prequels when they were fiorst released in Theatres and haven,t watched them since. I think i might have to see them again and see if my Oppinion has changed at all.
  • BaneBane Posts: 9,869 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Actually Padme is 14 in Episode 1, and they never had any kind of love hints going on.
  • yonythemoonyyonythemoony Posts: 5,638 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I found stupid the whole prequels vs. sequels bullshit. They're the same story! Both are two sides of the same story. The prequels told how the Empire was created, and the sequels show how the Empire is in the power, and the rebels trying to destroy it.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    in Phantom Menace it was Jar Jar and the relastionship between Anakin and Padme. It just came off as creepy. He was like what 9 in that movie and she was what 19 or 20? In Attack Of The Clones Anakin was just too Whiny for my liking. and again Jar Jar was the one who gave the Emperor the ultimate power WTF? in Revenge Of The Sith. The Dialougue between Padme and Anakin just seemed way to over the top and sometimes Cheesy. I saw the Prequels when they were fiorst released in Theatres and haven,t watched them since. I think i might have to see them again and see if my Oppinion has changed at all.
    Your complaints about AOTC and ROTS are rather nitpicky.

    How about the originals with cringeworthy acting and fucking ewoks? Or are those excusable just because it's the original but jarjar is a complaint because it's the prequel?
  • NickNick Posts: 20,653 ✭✭✭✭✭
    yes ill admit the acting and the ewoks are pretty bad.
  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    I found stupid the whole prequels vs. sequels bullshit. They're the same story! Both are two sides of the same story. The prequels told how the Empire was created, and the sequels show how the Empire is in the power, and the rebels trying to destroy it.
    Thanks my view on it too Yony. Both sets of films have annoying shit...gungans, jarjar, ewoks, lame boba fett death, cheesy dialogue and some awkward moments and characters here and there but overall it comes full circle and tells a great story. I myself may dislike the story for AOTC but I still respect it for what it gains to the overall narrative in the story. All of these connect and too many pompous star wars fanboys try and disconnect the two trio of films and bash the series' as much as they want to. It's almost like book purists or people that bitch about Harry potter here and the little things about the films. Yeah there's some cheesy moments but every series has their cringeworthy moments even lotr has its bad moments. You just have to take in everything and accept the glass as half full instead of half empty and be a bit more positive on these film series'
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Oh lookie hurrr another hater :p
  • decarusdecarus Posts: 5,953 ✭✭✭
    I think the originals have a better story then the prequels. That is why they are better. They have better characters. The effects are, of course, better in the prequels but that doesn't make them better movies, in my opinion.

    I didn't read the article. It was too long.
  • xMIKExxMIKEx Posts: 492 ✭✭✭
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    Oh lookie hurrr another hater :p

    Not a hater, just a realist with good taste in film. ^^


  • HessHess Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I find the story in the prequels absolutely interesting.
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  • decarusdecarus Posts: 5,953 ✭✭✭
    Well i do too, but only in light of the story in the originals. I think if they had been done in reverse order with the prequels first and the originals second they would not be nearly so interesting. The reason the prequels are compelling to me is because we are finding out how Darth Vader became Darth Vader and finding out about his wife, his children, his mother and what he did that made him choose the dark side.

    I just think if you think about the originals. There is this bad guy, Darth Vader, and there is a farm boy, a nobody, Luke Skywalker, and there is this unknown princess, Leia, and Han the charming cowboy. And you learn about this ancient order of Knights who fight with laser swords. And then the twist in Empire and again in Jedi. The sort of story of the farm boy that becomes a man and a warrior and destroys the evil and redeems his father is just a much better story. And that doesn't mean the prequels aren't a good story. I really like them too, but i think that they are good only because of the story of the originals because they are prequels, they are the beginning of the story.
  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I love this thread. This is also why I love the Prequels much more than the originals. It doesn't take near as much thought to put yourself through episodes 4-6 but the events in 1-3 leave me guessing on many things in life and despair on the story that unfolded before me. Revenge of the Sith was one of my favorite movies ever.
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • HessHess Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2012
    @decarus Yeah you got a point there, I agree. The prequels were interesting because we already knew what happened in the original trilogy.
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  • TheDoctorTheDoctor Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited February 2012
    I like both about the same... If I were to list them in order of preference the 2 trilogies would overlap. My 2 favorites are tied: RotS and ESB.

    Though if I absolutely had to choose one I would probably choose the originals. Yes, I did read the article and I guess in some ways it's supposed to make me feel stupid for liking the originals .01% more, but I do. I think decarus has a good point about the prequel story being so interesting because of the originals. Which isn't a bad thing.
  • HoppHopp Posts: 5
    NO the prequel trilogy is far better than those new movies! I don't believe Lucas is 3Ding them. I think they are very broing.
  • PhineasPhineas Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw the title of the thread and instantly liked where it was going. Marty, marry me?
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw the title of the thread and instantly liked where it was going. Marty, marry me?
    Yes:)
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well i do too, but only in light of the story in the originals. I think if they had been done in reverse order with the prequels first and the originals second they would not be nearly so interesting. The reason the prequels are compelling to me is because we are finding out how Darth Vader became Darth Vader and finding out about his wife, his children, his mother and what he did that made him choose the dark side.

    I just think if you think about the originals. There is this bad guy, Darth Vader, and there is a farm boy, a nobody, Luke Skywalker, and there is this unknown princess, Leia, and Han the charming cowboy. And you learn about this ancient order of Knights who fight with laser swords. And then the twist in Empire and again in Jedi. The sort of story of the farm boy that becomes a man and a warrior and destroys the evil and redeems his father is just a much better story. And that doesn't mean the prequels aren't a good story. I really like them too, but i think that they are good only because of the story of the originals because they are prequels, they are the beginning of the story.
    Well if the prequels came first and placed subtle connections to the next 3 movies like Lucas did, only in reverse, wouldn't you be saying the exact opposite right now?

    Just because it's the beginning and ties so nicely to the originals does not mean its good because of the originals. When I first saw them I saw them in order, 1-6, and I loved seeing Obi Wan, the robots, and references to the clone wars in 4-6. So I see where you're coming from saying that, but I don't think it's true.
  • PhineasPhineas Posts: 1,982 ✭✭✭✭✭
    It's the same thing with Anakin. He's a slave boy, as much a nobody as Luke. Then he happens upon a Jedi. And you see him turn into the monster. I tell you, if Darth Vader's true name hadn't been revealed in the prequels, and Anakin were revealed as Darth Vader, that would've been the most shocking twist since the revelation of Vader being Luke's father.
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  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I saw the title of the thread and instantly liked where it was going. Marty, marry me?
    Yes:)
    Do you take this man to be your lawfully wedded husband?

    Lord Stafford.
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  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    Well i do too, but only in light of the story in the originals. I think if they had been done in reverse order with the prequels first and the originals second they would not be nearly so interesting. The reason the prequels are compelling to me is because we are finding out how Darth Vader became Darth Vader and finding out about his wife, his children, his mother and what he did that made him choose the dark side.

    I just think if you think about the originals. There is this bad guy, Darth Vader, and there is a farm boy, a nobody, Luke Skywalker, and there is this unknown princess, Leia, and Han the charming cowboy. And you learn about this ancient order of Knights who fight with laser swords. And then the twist in Empire and again in Jedi. The sort of story of the farm boy that becomes a man and a warrior and destroys the evil and redeems his father is just a much better story. And that doesn't mean the prequels aren't a good story. I really like them too, but i think that they are good only because of the story of the originals because they are prequels, they are the beginning of the story.
    Well if the prequels came first and placed subtle connections to the next 3 movies like Lucas did, only in reverse, wouldn't you be saying the exact opposite right now?

    Just because it's the beginning and ties so nicely to the originals does not mean its good because of the originals. When I first saw them I saw them in order, 1-6, and I loved seeing Obi Wan, the robots, and references to the clone wars in 4-6. So I see where you're coming from saying that, but I don't think it's true.
    It's the same thing with Anakin. He's a slave boy, as much a nobody as Luke. Then he happens upon a Jedi. And you see him turn into the monster. I tell you, if Darth Vader's true name hadn't been revealed in the prequels, and Anakin were revealed as Darth Vader, that would've been the most shocking twist since the revelation of Vader being Luke's father.
    You could really make an argument for either case whether 1-3 or 4-6 are better. 1-3 are a tad bit of the build up to the big power takeover, growing up in this society, the setup of good and evil and the birth of one of cinemas most iconic villains. 4-6 is more of a tragic tale of the next generation, redemption, war, and uncertainty. Both sets of films tells the story and really comparing them to each other when it comes down to it at the end of the day is useless but we as fans always do this. Overtime we focus on certain movies, plot elements, characters that take the place of flavor of the month. Some people have firm opinions but when you really think about it, it's meaningless to argue if one is good or one is bad. If you are a (true) fan of the whole then you acknowledge the whole story and what that encompasses. Its the same with Potter or any other franchise...like with Potter for example, when people do rate lists or whine about aspects of the films. People whine about GOF all the time but still the (true) fans see it as part of the entire series and look past some of the minor problems. Sure I've mentioned loads of times things I don't like in the Star Wars series like Ewoks, Gungans and what have you, but when it comes down to it in the grand scheme of things the whole series tells a story and each film serves a purpose to tell that story.
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  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ^ I'm sleepy so I only caught sections of your post but I agree Anakins acting in AotC was very similar to the acting from Barty Crouch and company
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • AratronAratron Posts: 279 ✭✭✭
    I'll give you guys a reason to hate the prequels have fun with a 70 minute long review of tearing apart everything about The Phantom Menace. :D
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  • NumberEightNumberEight Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And I'll give you a 100+ page rebuttal to that monstrosity of a review.

    Edit: It was on Megauplaod, and those smithy of cocks took it down.

    I will say that Return of the Jedi is probably the worst in my book simply because of the Ewoks. I'd also say that Revenge of the Sith is better than A new Hope.
    Pottermore username: DustBlade76

    So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
  • TheDoctorTheDoctor Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'll give you guys a reason to hate the prequels have fun with a 70 minute long review of tearing apart everything about The Phantom Menace. :D
    Wow, this guy needs a new hobby.
  • AratronAratron Posts: 279 ✭✭✭
    And I'll give you a 100+ page rebuttal to that monstrosity of a review.

    Edit: It was on Megauplaod, and those smithy of cocks took it down.

    I will say that Return of the Jedi is probably the worst in my book simply because of the Ewoks. I'd also say that Revenge of the Sith is better than A new Hope.
    I don't really care all that much about Star Wars or arguing prequels vs original etc I just thought it was a funny well done review.
    I'll give you guys a reason to hate the prequels have fun with a 70 minute long review of tearing apart everything about The Phantom Menace. :D
    Wow, this guy needs a new hobby.
    He only has some reviews on youtube, his other reviews or on his website/blip.tv, and I'm guessing you've never heard of Nostalgia Critic or AVGN? Both AVGN and Nostalgia Critic make a living on their 'hobby' so I wouldn't really be telling him to get a new hobby.
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  • TheDoctorTheDoctor Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well idk, making a 70 minute video for the sole purpose of bashing one movie seems a bit over the top to me, but to each their own.
  • AratronAratron Posts: 279 ✭✭✭
    Well idk, making a 70 minute video for the sole purpose of bashing one movie seems a bit over the top to me, but to each their own.
    He did a 90 minute bashing of Clone Wars, I dunno how long Revenge of the Sith is as it's up on his site.
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If he didn't do anything bashing ewoks then I don't give a fuck what he says. :p
  • decarusdecarus Posts: 5,953 ✭✭✭
    Well if the prequels came first and placed subtle connections to the next 3 movies like Lucas did, only in reverse, wouldn't you be saying the exact opposite right now?

    Just because it's the beginning and ties so nicely to the originals does not mean its good because of the originals. When I first saw them I saw them in order, 1-6, and I loved seeing Obi Wan, the robots, and references to the clone wars in 4-6. So I see where you're coming from saying that, but I don't think it's true.
    I did see the originals first and the prequels second so i can't say what it would be like to see them for the first time in the other order. I just think that the big revels of Empire and of Jedi are taken away if you watch them prequels first and originals second and that is too bad. It doesn't make them good, but i know that when you first found at the
    Vader was Luke's father
    that was something. I still really like the prequels, but for me it is just in light of the original story. The prequels build off the original.

    It is sort of like if they did a Marauders prequel book. I would like it, but only in the light of Harry Potter. And there is nothing wrong with that. I still like both prequels and originals quite a bit.
  • decarusdecarus Posts: 5,953 ✭✭✭
    There are things that are so much better about the prequels then the originals, like the light saber duels are freaking awesome in the prequels. I just like the originals story better, but i love them both. And they are all part of the whole.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Loll I really don't think that's much of a spoiler :p
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Loll, the ewoks ruined much of the climax that was saved by Vader vs Luke. The fact that the empire would not have been destroyed if furry ewoks didn't come around isn't good, lmfao :p
  • Lord StaffordLord Stafford Posts: 27,353 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Loll I really don't think that's much of a spoiler :p
    It is to those who don't know. Admittably, those are very few.

    Lord Stafford.
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