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A Rant About Filmmaking
NumberEight
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To all those people out there that claim art is very, very important, I want to tell you something: it's not. If you compare art to science, your opinion should never be taken seriously again. When you say shit like the following, I want to punch you and burn down every art school that swindles students out of money:
Art is meaningful to culture, sure, but it's a DISTRACTION. Science is all about PROGRESS to help society last longer and to figure out the mysteries of our world and beyond. Science feeds curiosity. Those film study classes are not as important as that one math class, whether it's college algebra, pre-calculus, calculus, differential equations, discrete mathematics, linear algebra, statistics, etc. Those film studies classes are not as important as physics, chemistry, geologoy, etc.
Art is in no way comparable to science. Maybe if everyone comprehended this point, the market wouldn't be saturated with art majors, where they protest that they can't find a job using their expensive degrees.
Imagine a doctor going into surgery with only a limited amount of knowledge - I wouldn't trust his or her output anymore than a filmmaker who doesn't even know the history of cinema. The more things you see, the more knowledge you have. THAT'S where you get original ideas and films.
And your point is? You mean one should be respected and the other not? One is a science that saves lives, the other is an art that touches peoples lives. Sorry that you feel cinema is such a lowly thing.You all read those quotes correctly: the film medium is just as important as science and the brilliance of being a medical doctor. Art TOUCHES LIVES, while science SAVES THEM. Clearly the former is just as IMPORTANT as the latter.
Art is meaningful to culture, sure, but it's a DISTRACTION. Science is all about PROGRESS to help society last longer and to figure out the mysteries of our world and beyond. Science feeds curiosity. Those film study classes are not as important as that one math class, whether it's college algebra, pre-calculus, calculus, differential equations, discrete mathematics, linear algebra, statistics, etc. Those film studies classes are not as important as physics, chemistry, geologoy, etc.
Art is in no way comparable to science. Maybe if everyone comprehended this point, the market wouldn't be saturated with art majors, where they protest that they can't find a job using their expensive degrees.
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So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
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And no, art has no effect on how I think. I don't look to art to tell me how to think and I should be defined. I look at what I think is important to the world to help shape me. You know, subjects that explain the world, that explain why I'm here, empirically. A movie going on about the human condition isn't going to change my view on the matter, unlike say studying evolution and the behavior of humans since their inception.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
When I go on these rants my friends ask me why I like watching movies. That's not an adequate argument, but it's simple: I like being entertained and I like discussing them. It's a hobby. But I will not pretend, while I sit in that theater watching Dragon Tattoo, that this product and what went into it is equivalent to a medical doctor, scientists who find cures to diseases, who explain our genesis, etc.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
http://www.amazon.com/Truth-Beauty-Aesthetics-Motivations-Science/dp/0226100871
EDIT - I saw your latest post after I had written this.
I probably admire those two films more than anything I've seen in a long time because they are so pro-science.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
I love the arts, I adore Literature... But many Americans are falling behind in Math, I see it getting worse especially in my sisters classes because I tutor half of them. Some of them have calculators out for 3x4 or 12/3... :-B
The point I hear you making with Art "not being as important as Math, Physics, Chemistry, etc." Well logically yes those do stand a bit higher for one to study but it is hard for some individuals to gain an understanding of them. Art is incredibly important on the basis that is helps people communicate. Art is a tool for humans to use for the means of communication. Art reflects a society just like with ancient cultures. When we are long dead and people walk through museums and see things to define our periods in time, they will analyze these artifacts to gain an understanding of how we lived. All art today is not just something pretty, or something abstract. There are still traditional artists working and also the modernity of some work can issue an image of how shallow, narrow, and individualized our culture has become. Humans are animals plain and simple and Art can show how our species has come from point A to Point B. The areas of art are tools for individuals to use as a means to tell a story. The age old premise of telling a story is one that lives on in many. Film now is one area that uses Music, Drama, Dance (in some cases,) Cinematography, Design, Typography, Art Design, Production Design and that is just scratching the surface. All of those areas are compiled together in order to pull something together to do that age old human intrest to tell a story. Ancient cultures have done it to tell great stories of Gods, Mythical beings, great heroes in society and events in daily life and thinking about it, doesn't Art do that as well? Doesn't it explain this same idea but in another form? Art is a valuable way for humans to take their mind off the world around them if it is chaotic and explore the depths of their mind no matter which area they are working in. It has its place in society as does all the other areas of education. It is how some people choose to think that changes the world.
If there is ever one thing about Art I have ever learned is that it is everywhere and it is definitely needed. For instance in front of me I have a lamp, a desk, phone, poster, pencils and with every single item here there has not been one way art has not defined them. Simple everyday items. Somebody had to design the lamp and use color mixing to find the right color for it. Someone had to design the desk and pick the color for it. Someone designed my phone and had graphic designers visually create each feature for the phone. Someone had to take the photo for the poster to even be possible, study typefaces and figure out which works best with the image an then get the right font size and kerning for it to look perfectly. Somebody had to pick out the color for the pencils and design the shape of them. I can easily look around my room and see how art has impacted every single thing. Art is incredibly useful to human beings because it helps us express ourselves. With color, shape, size, texture, etc it helps define our likes and dislikes. It could describe how we are feeling or just a general intrest in something. So to say that this area is useless is honestly pretty dishonest to yourself to think in that manner. Just look around at man made objects. I think you are looking at your argument at one side and not both sides of the coin. Every Pro creates a Con. Every Con creates a Pro.
For some people business and money are more important than Science or Art... They lord over their companies and make assloads of money and scoff at our conversation.
@RyGuy, when people think of art, they don't go into the outstanding detail (kudos!) you did mentioning cave drawings and the like. They think about movies, music, modern paintings, etc. My rant is specifically about filmmaking, sparked by an idiotic comment on the Blu-ray.com forums by someone whose brain function is on the same level as an embryo. I do feel the same about music and paintings, however. They are in no way comparable to any of the advances made by modern science.
About the math scores: people in America are lazy and are distracted by the things they see on television and then have career ambitions because of it. Look at American Idol and the poor children that were subjected to Hollywood and wanting to be a part of its corrupting influence. Look at how ecstatic those singers are when they make it past the first round. They should instead be at home hitting the books, learning about things that will make us, as a society, prosper. We need to raise our math and science scores because they are pitiful and only reinforce the stereotype that Americans are dumb. America needs Tiger Moms.
Art is a distraction from the most pertinent issues of our time.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Art and science always coexisted. Leonardo Da Vinci is the biggest example of it. Try researching about the Renaissance.
The word art can be taken at such a broad level. Literature to filmmaking, anything could seriously fall under the category of art. Art allows people to expand their minds. One who reads and understands complex literature is more likely smarter than one who doesn't. Now, I think I would stop at literature. I wouldn't be able to say an artist is or a filmmaker is, because they are simply experts in their field.
But art leads to science. Look at some of the greatest artists of all times, I mean mainly da Vinci, and he was a scientists. His art lead to his science, there's No denying that. But here's where I agree with Eight: the scientific inventions of Da Vinci are more important than his art. His art will level forever, don't get me wrong, while his scientific inventions are extremely outdated now, but I see where Eight is coming from. This isn't at a deep, personal level, it's simply saying one is more important in a general sense.
But even though I'm agreeing, we NEED art. We couldn't live without it, and as a society, we'd fall apart.
So, if the internet didn't exist, I'd be here posting?
Ps. My very first sentence in this thread says "very, very important." And it seems you aren't comprehending the argument that it is not as important as science, my entire thesis for this thread.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
I'd argue that art has ruined the world in a lot of ways. Look at the income gap in the United States and how popular filmmakers, musicians, and authors contribute to it. Look at how, because of art, stringent copyright laws exist to enrich them even further. Look at how they get paid more than once for a single job performed when other professions only pay you once. Every time an artist makes a film or a song, they are complicit in the actions the MPAA and RIAA perform to quell the onslaught of piracy. So, when people like Mark Ruffalo go on television and complain about proposed legislation like SOPA and PIPA, remember that they are feeding the desire for the passage of that legislation every time they participate in the creation of a film.
@RowlingintheDeep gets what I'm saying.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Look at the picture, we MUST develop both sides to be inteligent human beings. Now, has science been helpful through out history? Of course, extremely. But how do you feel when you realize that pretty much everything you eat is manufactured? Or the fact that the next big war could destroy this planet as we now it thanks to the nuclear power?
Science is important, but it has the ability to both create and destroy. You can't say the same about films, books, music, etc.
So yes, art can destroy as well. Art is propaganda, for that can be literature and drawing. I doubt any would say propaganda is good.
Yes, science can destroy countries, but it's not science that causes it, it's greedy and pathetic leaders with no brains. There will never be nuclear war until a true bonehead rules a country with nuclear weapons. Why do you think the Cuban missile crisis was averted? Because both sides knew they would both be destroyed. The only war nuclear war will happen is if there is a ruler that gives zero shots about their country and wants it to become ash as long as they attack everyone. Every ruler wants their country to become the dominant one, and nuclear war would simply destroy everything. So I don't see that beingsized as anything more than a threat for the time being.
Yes, I can say that, and I just did in an earlier post.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
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And you can't deny the negative influence of films, books etc or their ability to cause hatred, violence, belief in the absurd and so on and so forth. Maybe not music, but others definitely.
But what I'm saying is so general I could just say it like this:
Doctor > Filmmaker
There, that's it.
Why might there be nuclear war? Oh right, crazy person with some advanced science.
Same thing.
Look no further than the different interpretations for Lars von Trier's Antichrist and Melancholia. Look no further than gangsta rap that glorifies violence and drug selling and consumption.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
Edit: "If you don't know gangsta rap, don't go rappin about gangsta rap... Muhfuckas don't even know what tha fuck they talkin about.." - Ice Cube
And for the record, I studied Astronomy for 2 years, and did very well in sciences at scholl.
We can all agree though that you can always find an inspiration in someone who wants to help the planet saving lifes, and someone giving a strong message in a good movie.
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
both are completely different concepts. So WE should
respect both terms. I do respect them, because If I'd like to be respected, or to be
taken serious, first I have to respect the other.
And you can't compare Art & Science.
It's like comparing Twilight & Harry Potter.
Both are extremely different.
Smokey
So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.