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Democrat Philosophy

Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
edited January 2012 in General
I wanted a discussion where the brightest of our forums Democrats and Republicans could explain why you believe the way you do. Inherently there is one way that is the best way to operate our country. Explain what democrats really are, what they believe, and what they are currently doing to fix our problems.

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"If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • HessHess Posts: 1,734 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So this is a threat only for people from the US?
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  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    I would join in haha but I am a proud supporter of the communist party of America...








    haha no but I am independent. I do not support one party over another. On Social issues I swing democrat. On Financial issues I swing Republican. People that stick to one party are not open minded enough in my opinion and are way too stubborn to get over themselves and their party...like our current congress in session. whomp whomp whomp.
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  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You don't have to be American to comment, I'm no dictator.
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    You don't have to be American to comment, I'm no dictator.
    ...yet hahaha
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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm a democrat by ideologies.

    Basically: I'm pro-choice, decrease military spending, FUCK THE BORDER WALL, THAT WOULD COST SO MUCH FUCKING MONEY, keep separation of church and state, for gay marriage, increase the taxes on the rich, etc.

    The only one of these that would really be useful to the economy NOW is the lowering of military spending and NOT building the wall, but I'll say why I believe each.

    Pro-Choice: I used to be on the fence about this, but really, a person should have the right to their own body. Would I try and convince my sex partner to keep the child? Yes I would. But what I would do shouldn't be the law. The law should be that if someone wants an abortion, they should be able to get one.

    Decrease Military Spending: There is so much spent on war it's insane, it really is. We finally pulling out of Iraq, who knows when for Afghan though. There's not any MAJOR wars being fought, yes War on Terror is big but not WW2 or Vietnam big right this second. The USA proved in WW1 that we can get a giant ass army together in a very short amount of time. We don't need all this spending.

    This is why right now I would only support Ron Paul or Barack Obama. All the other Republican candidates would seek to go to war with Iran. Santorum is honestly a fucking dumbass who lives in his fantasy world that terrorists attack us because we are free and have liberty. Grow up you rich fuck and realize the USA have bombed and used the middle east, so no, that's not why. Does that justify why they are terrorists? No. But honestly, a monkey could make children believe the USA are evil from all the way saying they bomb without helping back. It's not difficult to do this when they are raised from birth under jihadism. It's terrible, but it's true. Iran = Iraq of 2010's. We can't fucking afford it nor should we take action until they pose an immediate threat and DO threaten us or actually attack.

    Border Wall - Seriously, this would cost fortunes. We don't have fortunes. What jobs are illegals taking from you? Barely anything, and if they do take a job, WHAT THE FUCK IS IT? MOWING A LAWN, TAXI DRIVING, WHO KNOWS WHAT? They're taking possibly minimum wage jobs at best. Yes we need to control, but not with a fucking wall.

    Separation of Church and State: Look at Iran. Theocracy. Point made.

    Gay Marriage: Argument for exists in the Bible. See Separation of Church and State.

    Increases Taxes on the Rich: In the past few decades, the space between middle class and upper class as grown bigger and bigger to the point where middle class are almost poor and the upper class have diamond grills for their dogs. It's pathetic now. Increase those fucking taxes and those who can afford more. Oh no, instead of 200 million a year you'll only make 198 million. Get over it.

    So yeah, I'm a democrat by ideologies. I'm definitely not a liberal though, because there are a few things I do agree republican side.

  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Honestly the entire idea of parties is crap. It's what makes our Government suck ass. If there were no parties, people would have to vote based on ideologies rather than "is that guy a dem or rep?"

    It's fucking dumb. The entire USA Government is dumb. Electoral college is shit, congress can't do anything, courts are corrupt, executive just want to pass what will help their party.

  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    George Washington himself didn't want parties.
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    George Washington himself didn't want parties.
    That's why he is my favorite president ever.
  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well, one of many reasons.
  • NumberEightNumberEight Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    To no one in particualr, keep in mind that "democrat" does no necessarily mean "liberal."

    I'm a socialist but will vote for someone in the democratic party as long as they aren't dumbasses. That narrows it down a LOT. I'll be voting for Bernie Sanders because Obama is a cunt, a massive one, and I cannot with good conscience vote for him again. I am culpable for all of his bullshit.

    My beliefs, summarized: a country should strive for progression; adapt to changing conditions in society; should care for all of its citizens; provide adequate healthcare for all of its citizens; attempt income equality or in the very least tax the obscenely rich who got the money after fucking people over (no one became rich on their own). I'm also pro-choice and anti-death penalty (except in extreme cases like those who caused the financial problems in 2008). I support birth control, not only in regards to contraceptives and condoms, but also mandatory child limits.

    Pottermore username: DustBlade76

    So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
  • NumberEightNumberEight Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Electoral college is shit, congress can't do anything, courts are corrupt, executive just want to pass what will help their party.
    The electoral college is most certainly better than popular vote, given some states have a lot of residents.
    Pottermore username: DustBlade76

    So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    I'll vote for any party who allows Ash and Ryan to openly marry in the United States. And keep the taxpayers off me long enough to be able to attend their wedding.
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  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    I'll vote for any party who allows Ash and Ryan to openly marry in the United States. And keep the taxpayers off me long enough to be able to attend their wedding.
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  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    I'll vote for any party who allows Ash and Ryan to openly marry in the United States. And keep the taxpayers off me long enough to be able to attend their wedding.
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  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dumbledore doesn't approve of that sign
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • AshAsh Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    God's not the only one.
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  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    :-O
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    Mysterious thing time.
  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Omg whoever let that girl Hold those signs needs an ass whippin
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • XDMorsmordreXDXDMorsmordreXD Posts: 6,730 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Omg whoever let that girl Hold those signs needs an ass whippin
    Agreed. She needs an even bigger one. That bitch.
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    Mysterious thing time.
  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    God hates a few things, pride;envy; sin in general but he does NOT hate any person I don't care what they've done. But then again it requires wisdom and intellectual thought to understand this, something about 85% of my fellow Christians do not have
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • Martin1Martin1 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Any Christian who says God hates gays isn't a Christian to me.

    People make their argument from leviticus. You know, leviticus?

    Things in leviticus ALONG with gay marriage:

    -You can't have different crops on the same field
    -Clothes can't have more than one fabric
    -Don't cut your hair or shave
    -No tattoos
    -Curse your parents and you should die
    -If a priest's daughter is a whore, she should be burned (thank you TGWTDT)

    and yeah who knows what the fuck else.

  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Lol @Dragon Tattoo increasing biblical knowledge he he

    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • I'm glad to see that you guys are really into politics! That's great :D
  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    Any Christian who says God hates gays isn't a Christian to me.

    People make their argument from leviticus. You know, leviticus?

    Things in leviticus ALONG with gay marriage:

    -You can't have different crops on the same field
    -Clothes can't have more than one fabric
    -Don't cut your hair or shave
    -No tattoos
    -Curse your parents and you should die
    -If a priest's daughter is a whore, she should be burned (thank you TGWTDT)

    and yeah who knows what the fuck else.

    These points are exactly what I point every time someone brings out biblical references to support what they believe in politically which is just point blank wrong. Not to mention the bible also says, Oh! Hey Slaves are okay! lmao. No politician is ever sound in my eyes for putting their faith on a pedestal and acting like a preacher. That is one of the reasons why I don't like Santorum for Pres among other things. lol. In this country I enjoy our separation of church and state and I think politicians need to heed that more. They can't use the bible as a way to make laws. Plain and simple.
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  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 0
    edited January 2012
    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I've just seen this video on my friend's wall and as you guys are talking about stereotype and stuf...



    Hahahaha. It's funny ^^
  • TheDoctorTheDoctor Posts: 3,941 ✭✭✭✭✭
  • NumberEightNumberEight Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Any Christian who says God hates gays isn't a Christian to me.
    God does...
    Pottermore username: DustBlade76

    So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    Any Christian who says God hates gays isn't a Christian to me.
    God does...
    Lololol

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  • RichardRichard Posts: 48,703 mod
    Any Christian who says God hates gays isn't a Christian to me.
    God does...
    LMAO
  • To me, personally, 90% of all Politicians give the other 10% a bad name.

    As for me, I'd say I'm fairly Conservative. I'm a Christian, and I grew up in Alabama. Guess you could say that's a big reason why I believe the way I do.
  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ^ The South Will Rise Again
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • ^ The South Will Rise Again
    Amen Brotha.
  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    edited January 2012
  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm starting to warm up to Ron Paul... If I voted for a republican it would definitely be him
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    If Obama has problems with lobbyists then Mitt Romney will have double that problem... I was thinking that too, if Ron Paul does run as a third party then Obama will win re-election. The republicans need someone electable by the youth of America and Ron Paul is the only one who could deliver there I think.
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • I can honestly say that I don't like Obama. I don't.

    As for the whole Gay issue, I ain't got an opinion on it.

    However, if someone tries take away my guns, we're going to have problems. It's my right as an American Citizen to keep and own one.
  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    I can honestly say that I don't like Obama. I don't.

    As for the whole Gay issue, I ain't got an opinion on it.

    However, if someone tries take away my guns, we're going to have problems. It's my right as an American Citizen to keep and own one.
    Have you ever met Obama? He's a fun person from what I've seen, political issues may be the only thing we could disagree on but I don't know shit about running a country so who am I to say Obama has been a bad president.

    I want our president to fight to get us out of war and to get people to spend money again. I also want a technology boost. We need more companies in America that can only produce their specific item. For example if an American company is producing an advanced product that no other cheaper country has the intel to make, then you keep those jobs here and stay ahead of the curve.
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    I can honestly say that I don't like Obama. I don't.

    As for the whole Gay issue, I ain't got an opinion on it.

    However, if someone tries take away my guns, we're going to have problems. It's my right as an American Citizen to keep and own one.
    I'm not the biggest Obama supporter either. I think he went in with good intentions and sadly Congress wouldn't look past what party they belong to in order to get anything done and He had a lot larger problem economically than what even he thought.

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    As for the three President's I remember in my lifetime; Clinton, Bush and Obama. All three had some high moments in their careers but I don't think any of them will go down in the history books for being one of the best Presidents, However Bush will end up on the worst list for letting our economy get as bad as it did and for Iraq. Clinton had the infamous NAFTA which has destroyed our jobs market. Obama well...idk he hasn't done anything too bad yet except for Obamacare. Only time will tell.
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  • Obama put our country in more debt than it already was!

    And no, I ain't ever met him. Hopefully, I never will.

    I don't like him at all. I don't like his politics, and I don't trust him.
  • AshAsh Posts: 6,577 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm not sure why everyone is up in arms about the economy, it's them pesky gays that are the real issue here.
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  • RyGuyRyGuy Posts: 7,837 mod
    Obama put our country in more debt than it already was!

    And no, I ain't ever met him. Hopefully, I never will.

    I don't like him at all. I don't like his politics, and I don't trust him.
    Romney will do the same exact thing. They both have similar policies. The only candidate that is actually making figures and plans in order to trim the deficit is Ron Paul. Sadly he really doesn't stand a chance but I will still support him.
    I'm not sure why everyone is up in arms about the economy, it's them pesky gays that are the real issue here.
    hahaha ohhh I see what you did there \:D/
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  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I want NumberEight back for discussion... He's a socialist and I always have been under the impression that socialism is great in theory but it fails when put into action?
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • aaronaaron Posts: 20,950 mod
    I'm not sure why everyone is up in arms about the economy, it's them pesky gays that are the real issue here.
    If only you actually lived in America...
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  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    America... The place where Politicians won't do anything they say they will yet people continue to swallow their BS year after year lol
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • And this is why I'm a Conservative Anarchist.
  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    Power to the states?
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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  • Basically, as little Government as possible.

    TED NUGENT FOR PRESIDENT!!
  • NumberEightNumberEight Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    edited January 2012
    I want NumberEight back for discussion... He's a socialist and I always have been under the impression that socialism is great in theory but it fails when put into action?
    Why would I discuss this with you when you think like that?

    PS. Scarecrow: Obama never tried to take your guns away. A "conservative anarchist" means there's no reason to take you seriously at all. I'd say go back to reading V for VENDETTA and let the big boys discuss politics.


    Pottermore username: DustBlade76

    So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
  • NumberEightNumberEight Posts: 1,574 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Basically, as little Government as possible.

    TED NUGENT FOR PRESIDENT!!
    Go live in Somalia. It should be your utopia.
    Pottermore username: DustBlade76

    So Crucify the ego, before it's far too late, to leave behind this place so negative and blind and cynical. And you will come to find that we are all one mind, capable of all that's imagined and all conceivable.
  • Darth LedgerDarth Ledger Posts: 6,594 ✭✭✭✭✭
    @NumberEight Because that's a very popular public opinion that I don't wish to believe. I'm asking you to defend your stance, but it's clear your taking the elitist route on this one and do not wish to talk to anyone not on your 'level'
    "If you make yourself more than just a man... If you devote yourself to an ideal... You become something else entirely- A Legend."

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